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  • #11
    Talk to Svartalf about what "rights" you have when it gets down to games... you would be surprised

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Dragonlord View Post
      Talk to Svartalf about what "rights" you have when it gets down to games... you would be surprised
      In this case, they're still supporting the product on the OS in question, they're just going about it in a different fashion. Transgaming IS to blame for the failure of the prior form of support working on Linux, but they're still supporting the current customers by way of making sure WINE works and helping the WINE teams sort it out when it doesn't work. Eve Online's requirements there are met per the way the law's framed in on this one.

      Keep solidly in mind that what's "right" and what the law says doesn't always meet up with each other. More often than not these days, they never see a glimpse let alone come in the same room.

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      • #13
        Talk to Svartalf about what "rights" you have when it gets down to games... you would be surprised
        This isn't about "rights" this is about a company falsely advertising its product, ignoring its paying customers (they offer a service and advertise support for said service) and the people that don't realize that this what to expect from the company on this platform.

        Former Cedega users know how poorly transgaming supports the platform and how misleading the advertising is which is illegal in some jurisdictions.

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        • #14
          Not in software. You do not have the right ( for any software ) that it runs correctly on your system. So you can not hold reliable a company if a software does not work for one reason or the other. I don't think you can uphold such a claim in court especially since EULAs tend to explicitly state this circumstance although not explicitly required.

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          • #15
            Assuming the courts choose to let the EULA stand: not guaranteed, they have been thrown out before, very few of them have really been tested in court, and the suspicion in some jurisdictions is that the EULA will be held to have no legal value at all. Even if the EULA stands, that won't excuse a false advertising claim that it "supports" linux. If they claim it, it is extremely unlikely that any fair court will permit them to not support linux on the grounds that the EULA provides no guarantees.

            In Ireland at least, there is a whole raft of legislation which includes specifically:
            1) Goods must be as advertised.
            2) Goods must be of merchantable quality.

            It is unlikely any EULA can over ride those two requirements, certainly none in the normal form in software (installation click through) would be allowed to.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
              This isn't about "rights" this is about a company falsely advertising its product, ignoring its paying customers (they offer a service and advertise support for said service) and the people that don't realize that this what to expect from the company on this platform.
              Ahh... But it did support it for a time. The reality is, it only needs to meet the requirements at the time of purchase. It did, if only marginally, do that.

              Former Cedega users know how poorly transgaming supports the platform and how misleading the advertising is which is illegal in some jurisdictions.
              But not all of them. And the people behind Eve Online will only point to Transgaminng and say "sue them" because they were took by them and honestly believed Transgaming would give them what they needed to support Linux users. And they're still supporting them. Just not the way YOU keep insisting they do- the game isn't a traditional one, the bulk of the game actually resides on their servers and is more of a service than the games we're used to.

              The courts will tell you that they're still supporting it as agreed upon by your TOS as the Eve Online people point you to the better compatibility layer to run the game that they provided to you on your still supported OS.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by RobbieAB View Post
                1) Goods must be as advertised.
                2) Goods must be of merchantable quality.
                Unfortunately, the Eve Online stuff initially met (within moderate values of that...) those criteria. But as time went on, it didn't. Rather than fight with Transgaming and get nowhere, they admitted defeat and support the WINE/CrossOver Games answers with their Windows version (which isn't really any different than what they sold you- save that it largely WORKS...).

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                • #18
                  Times like this is where it's easy to not like Cedega... I never did and I do choose Crossover over Transgaming everytime. But still the fact remains that Linux needs all the help it can get in the gaming space.

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                  • #19
                    Back then when Transgaming launched WineX IIRC they implied that they might be willing to aid companies actually make ports of their game titles, while providing the means to run games unmodified on Linux (later MacOS, as well). I only knew of a few titles they did actually help porting, but for MacOS PPC rather than Linux. I remember that at the time it actually sounded like really good idea to have a company providing the infrastructure to run games unmodified on Linux, but at the same time be willing and able to port game natively on Linux. I guess that at some point the latter was not possible or no company actually showed interest in them porting their games to Linux. Pity.

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                    • #20
                      Unless the games work on a common code basis ( same game engine with forks not modified too much ) then it would work but the way it is currently in game development each game is a new endeavor. I don't envy Svartalf and LGP for their porting work. I personally hate porting. Wrapping your head around foreign code, often more or less spaghetti with strange coding rules and then getting that fixed to run on a system it had been never intended to run on... "that's no easy thing" ( to quote Garret ).

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