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  • The GNU Linux Libre 3.16 Kernel Is Christened By Freedo

    Phoronix: The GNU Linux Libre 3.16 Kernel Is Christened By Freedo

    The Linux 3.16 kernel was released a few days ago with some awesome features while those wishing to run this kernel in an ultra-free mode without support for closed-source firmware blobs or the ability to load non-free kernel modules, the GNU Linux-libre 3.16 release is available...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTc1ODE

  • #2
    Might try that if someone has a patch to revert deblobing of radeon and realtek firmwares .

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    • #3
      That's part of the reason why it was late, and why it still doesn't have
      the “blobhush” infrastructure, that will eventually enable blobs to be
      loaded if they're installed
      , but in a way that won't induce users to
      install them.
      Ah, does that "blobhush" means they planed to allow them to be loaded in some secret way ?

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      • #4
        Trisquel and Parabola also use this kernel, but Debian doesn't, they use their own de-blobbing script.

        Originally posted by dungeon View Post
        Might try that if someone has a patch to revert deblobing of radeon and realtek firmwares .
        It makes zero sense. Users of AMD graphics cards aren't targeted by this at all, until AMD releases their firmware as free software. You could however install Debian and the firmware individually, but remember that unused firmware is never loaded by default.

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        • #5
          I know about Debian, i use it . I might try freedo for the fun. Difference is only because Debian kernels does not install those by default, but allow them to be loaded if you wish.

          If authors of freedo kernels make that blobhush infrastructure, then what will be difference there: maybe I inform you and I does not inform you . I actually does not said one holly word about that .

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          • #6
            Oh boy, this is so utterly senseless and additionally it's so wrong.

            Linux is about freedom, that obviously includes (if not that's the core sense) freedom of choice. If I use the normal kernel, I have the choice to use binary blobs and I have the choice to avoid them. That's freedom. If I use this kernel, it's taking away options and ability to choose. That's unfree.

            So this kernel has no advantages over simply avoiding binary blobs, and additionally it screws with the paradigma of linux.

            At least I have the choice to avoid this kernel, but I more tend to fight for freedom and actively boycott such approaches.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by sleeksorrow View Post
              Oh boy, this is so utterly senseless and additionally it's so wrong.

              Linux is about freedom, that obviously includes (if not that's the core sense) freedom of choice. If I use the normal kernel, I have the choice to use binary blobs and I have the choice to avoid them. That's freedom. If I use this kernel, it's taking away options and ability to choose. That's unfree.

              So this kernel has no advantages over simply avoiding binary blobs, and additionally it screws with the paradigma of linux.

              At least I have the choice to avoid this kernel, but I more tend to fight for freedom and actively boycott such approaches.
              Exactly. As soon as you install this kernel, a trained GNU staff member is dispatched to your home which holds a gun to your head forbidding you from ever installing another kernel. Truly a loss of choice.

              Also,

              > That's freedom.

              This is the FSF's definition of free software: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

              So you're just arguing semantics.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ancurio View Post
                Also,

                > That's freedom.

                This is the FSF's definition of free software: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

                So you're just arguing semantics.
                You so nailed it.

                > To understand the concept, you should think of “free” as in “free speech,” not as in “free beer”.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by sleeksorrow View Post
                  Linux is about freedom,
                  Would you kindly tell me where Linus Torvalds said that? While this is true of the BSDs in that they want to provide a complete permissively licensed OS so that people can do whatever they want with it, and similarly anything done by the FSF (Although their definition of freedom is different from that of the BSDs).

                  Last I checked Linux didn't have a mission statement and wasn't a political or religious movement (Something Linus is explicitly against), and was instead just a hobby project that went really big by being at the right place in the right time. As a result Linux isn't about anything other than being a FOSS UNIX-Like kernel.

                  That said I agree with the assessment that this is pointless, if you really care that much about firmware blobs you should be using OpenBSD instead, because at least they're doing work to replace them.
                  Last edited by Luke_Wolf; 08-08-2014, 02:34 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ancurio View Post
                    Exactly. As soon as you install this kernel, a trained GNU staff member is dispatched to your home which holds a gun to your head forbidding you from ever installing another kernel. Truly a loss of choice.
                    A gun ? Perhaps you meant a gnu ?

                    Last edited by bridgman; 08-08-2014, 02:47 PM.

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                    • #11
                      War is life . Freedo kernel is just prohibited linux kernel . FSF if succeed in all they do, maybe they can end up like organisation who put nasty pictures on cigarettes



                      Yeah, world is full of nonsense .

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                      • #12
                        This is really good, but it requires hardware that needs just software that does not need those closed things to run optimally.
                        In case of AMD you need firmware. In case of Intel, firmware is loaded at UEFI level. In case of Nvidia, the driver itself is least of quality among other two.
                        In x86 world, this idea is impossible if one needs fast 3d graphics, sadly.

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                        • #13
                          As long there are ppl who want to use Linux in a self-restricted way this may be useful for those. I see no reason not to provide needed firmware out of the box that all network (especially wifi), 3d and lots of dvb devices work. Basically i even provide solutions (if possible) to use binary drivers automatically (hello amd: i need something for xserver 1.16!) for Kanotix. Some ppl however are not happy at all with binary drivers or even with binary firmware (nouveau can use 3d but not vdpau without binary only firmware), so i hope they like it that way.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by brosis View Post
                            This is really good, but it requires hardware that needs just software that does not need those closed things to run optimally.
                            In case of AMD you need firmware. In case of Intel, firmware is loaded at UEFI level. In case of Nvidia, the driver itself is least of quality among other two.
                            In x86 world, this idea is impossible if one needs fast 3d graphics, sadly.
                            Nouveau reclocking is on the way and using an Intel IGP is considered free (the driver isn't in the kernel, so the kernel is fully free).

                            Nouveau is actually good-quality coding and such (quality, feature set, stability and speed are different things), unlike the proprietary NVIDIA driver where no one knows.

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                            • #15
                              Thanx for that work. I dont will use it on my main rigs, but its good that its there.

                              Some people have to think ahead, if windows looses its last 14% the CEO or Manager? of Microsoft says they have, linux is at some point standart. sadly not gnu/linux.

                              With steamos and so on much moves in this direction. Even that gnu/linux will have much much more users (steamos).

                              So a company with good linux support will profit from that choice more and more. And yes many of that new linux users will not care to much about freedom, but some of them will, and so even the market for people taht care about taht will grow. So its more likely that some hardware will not only support linux but are completly free software compatible.

                              Also as example the free (even the firmware is not free) radeon driver also gets month over month better, at some point the advantages of the blob are so low the many disadvantages over the free driver will make him for nearly nobody a good choice. etc...

                              What I want to say is if there is software first u have a branch where u can fix some stuff u can see how far u are, u can jsut boot a live cd with that kernel and see what hardware makes problems for u and if possible not buy from this company again hardware when there are more free alternatives that are acceptable.

                              And what I found funny was the argument taht linux is about freedom of choice and then the bsd answer here, that shows were that leads if you want freedom of choice and u dont agree to fsfs definition at least the ideal behind it, using bsd stuff and lisenses makes more sense.

                              So the linux gpl opensource movement makes no sense at all either advertise and coeist and empower embrace proprietary software, having free choice as your maxim then go for bsd or love freedom like fsf sees/defines it, and u go full on free software.

                              The rest are compromises, I go for it too, but because I am weak and lazy not because I think I know it better and what I do has to be the better the more free thing because I use it.

                              Its a strange sense of freedom if u want the freedom to enslave yourself for the next few years by your choice. Every contract where u sign that u are a slave now for somebody else would be invalid at least in germany and most likely on most other parts of the world.

                              A complete freedom of choice on all fields would mean anarcy.
                              Last edited by blackiwid; 08-09-2014, 08:19 AM.

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