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  • #46
    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post

    * Data from Distrowatch
    which makes it worthless.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by peppercats View Post
      which makes it worthless.
      so is every data on this topic... there is no better data if you have better data go ahead if not maybe shut up.

      Lol here are so much RMS-Haters, I think if you guys would have weapon with one bullet and bill gates and rms would walk by you would shoot on rms.

      What I find funny because there are people that can keep persons and their work seperated and can agnolodge the contributions from a technical point. But hey who said free software people are fanatic, its the open source guys who let lead their desitions from emotions.

      Some guy even wrote here that X11 is nearly as big as gnu stuff or maybe slightly bigger, and said then calling it X11/Linux would be ok. So X11 is worth mentioning but Gnu with the same size not?

      And even funnier, he said glibc and all the other gnu stuff is easier to replace. At the moment we see X11 gets replaced in 2 years its gone for good on every distro-cd.

      I am not shure but if wayland is a better and simpler design its most likely that it has less lines of code? And its smaller so because its better and uses less lines of code it is not worth mentioning but that garbage X11 is worth because its unneccessary big garbage design even the devolopers themself hate it.

      Yes all logical and technical discussions no emotions included *rofl*

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      • #48
        Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
        so is every data on this topic... there is no better data if you have better data go ahead if not maybe shut up.
        sure
        http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia...ingSystems.htm

        Ubuntu destroys mint in popularity.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by peppercats View Post
          sure
          http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia...ingSystems.htm

          Ubuntu destroys mint in popularity.
          that only messures how much people use wikipedia, maybe ubuntu users are specialy dumb and need more often help to understand basic stuff...

          I think its even a more basic problem:

          I use fedora here and have nothing tweaked to hide myself so how does your wikipedia squid proxy know that I use Fedora when that is my user agent string:

          Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0

          So again give me some better data. Or proof me that your data is better than that from distrowatch


          Oh I think I found my category:

          Other 5,159 M 2.26%
          Linux x86.64 Ubuntu 515 M 0.23%
          Linux i686 Ubuntu 466 M 0.20%

          so in theory there could 5x more fedora users ^^ So ok maybe that data is good
          Last edited by blackiwid; 02-20-2014, 08:58 PM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
            Who knows which counter is right
            None.

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            • #51
              Linux Other 1,817 M 0.80%


              k I am maybe in that... still double the amount of people than ubuntu users.

              And some of this total "Others" are some linux systems too, so you have 0.4% of ubuntu users and 3% others / other linux users that is totaly unclear what maybe linux distro they use... so that says not much...

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              • #52
                Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                that only messures how much people use wikipedia, maybe ubuntu users are specialy dumb and need more often help to understand basic stuff...

                I think its even a more basic problem:

                I use fedora here and have nothing tweaked to hide myself so how does your wikipedia squid proxy know that I use Fedora when that is my user agent string:

                Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0

                So again give me some better data. Or proof me that your data is better than that from distrowatch


                Oh I think I found my category:

                Other 5,159 M 2.26%
                Linux x86.64 Ubuntu 515 M 0.23%
                Linux i686 Ubuntu 466 M 0.20%

                so in theory there could 5x more fedora users ^^ So ok maybe that data is good
                The other thing to consider is that Mint AFAIR stopped using it's own independent user agent and instead started telling the server it's running Ubuntu after a point

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  Linux Other 1,817 M 0.80%


                  k I am maybe in that... still double the amount of people than ubuntu users.

                  And some of this total "Others" are some linux systems too, so you have 0.4% of ubuntu users and 3% others / other linux users that is totaly unclear what maybe linux distro they use... so that says not much...
                  "other" is chromeos.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
                    The other thing to consider is that Mint AFAIR stopped using it's own independent user agent and instead started telling the server it's running Ubuntu after a point
                    rofl so you cannot even say that at least 14% of linux clients that use wikipedia use ubuntu, that would be true if you see 0.4 / 2.8%

                    So even if you think that the users of all the distris use ubuntu on the same degree that says nothing ^^

                    k we know then that shurly at least 14% of the wikipedia visitors use linux Mint or Ubuntu ^^



                    Another Point even if Ubuntu would get used much, it would not matter that much... who has 70% or so market share microsoft is windows therefor a good and secure system you should use? No.

                    k I started it, but my intention was more to show a progress that one plattform looses users not about how much they really have total, and I think for that Distrowatch is not the worst source out there.

                    I never said that I belive that I belive that it gives you the real relations or % market share, but at least less people are excited about ubuntu than in 2006 and more about mint and fedora and even debian.

                    That you can say to some certainly out of this data. (sorry if I violated here english?) ^^

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                    • #55
                      A lot of times

                      Big jumps like this usually happen when the method used to count is revised. Often, these stats are weighted by country, and they'll decide to change the weights up to more accurately reflect population growth, and all of a sudden it looks like there's been a massive shift when in reality nothing has actually changed.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by ssokolow View Post
                        And not only is GCC+glibc+coreutils+binutils+etc. no bigger than X11 (if you're counting by percentage of code contributed), it's also easier to swap out than X11 if you want to patch some other libc into compatibility (if you're counting by importance to the ABI's identity).

                        Hence, "GNU/Linux" still loses out to "X11/Linux" by any metric other than Stallman's "A GUI isn't part of the OS because you don't need it to run Emacs and get work done. Therefore, X11 is automatically excluded from consideration." opinion.
                        Kind of like my server machine should be called screen/ncurses/gnu/linux?

                        My opinion it's GNU/Linux until llvm supplants it if it ever does.

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                        • #57
                          again, if you let your hate against rms beside and your belive in opensource > free software.

                          RMS startet to write a operating system he got the c-compiler and everything but the kernel basicly back then. Then Torvalds made the kernel. first it wasnt that big thing with 1 trillion developer helping out there. So it was a pretty small kernel.

                          You would maybe agree that in this time gnu programmes/libs was a very big contribution, most likely bigger than the kernel, but ok lets pretent for a moment even then the kernel was bigger, at least it was maybe sexier ^^, so would you call dos-kernel + dos-tools as system dos-kernel or something like that. or take bsd, its freebsd its a os, nobody call it as os bsd, if you say bsd you most likely mean only the kernel.

                          Yes there is bsd in the name like in GNU/Linux too, if you have problems with the big letters of GNU because your penis is to small maybe gnu/linux would be a compromise for you. And yes there are GNU/Non-linux btw, look at debian: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/

                          Also the gpl lisense was a big contribution and at least for now, bsd failed hard on desktop even in comparsion to linux because of this lisense. all this linux-developer could have also contributed to bsd if they would have felt that their work is protected or not protected like they wanted it, most did not...

                          lets see other examples:

                          Unix is that the name of a kernel? No!
                          Android, name of a kernel? No!
                          IOS, name of the kernel? No!
                          Freebsd, name of the kernel? No!
                          Windows (xp/2000/7/8/vista...) name of the kernel? No!

                          You get it btw totaly wrong. RMS made no programm with the name GNU, where you can now messure how much loc it has compared to the kernel or something. so the comparsion with X11 is wrong. X11 was never conzipated as a name of a operation system, you can say you dont like the operation system name GNU but at least its a operation systen name, like Unix but not

                          If at least somebody maybe Linus would had suggested a name for a OS you could call it that way, or if the kernel would have got another name.

                          But if you call the hole os exactly the same than the kernel you get articles like that, who everbody udnerstands something different.

                          If you really so full of hate against rms and gnu, at least call it linux (kernel) vs linux (os), at least everybody would understand the same when he reads such articles.

                          Yes pre-android it was not that big of a problem, WHY? Because linux in 100% of the time meant GNU/Linux.

                          No we have 2 aspects of course we have the "linux" meaning gnu/linux and non-gnu/linux, but sometimes people are interested in non-dongeld non-nsa-root-kit-enabled so non-android linux numbers. like this article means, but calling that than linux is to unprecise.

                          you should understand that and even linux (os) would not help in this.

                          if you really hate rms that much you could maybe write non-android-linux if you think thats a more clever way or use a acronym like LIG (Linux is GNU ^^) because a not would make no sense but if you want to make yourself redicules call it LING for Linux is not gnu, at then at best make efforts to remove gnu else the name would make no sense.

                          Haha the funny part is you maybe also called it more likely linux only because you think that works better for marketing, but now it backfires, linux does not mean freedom but total unfreedom like in android today... ^^ at it becomes synonym for bad software (android) that sucks like hell and is even crappier than IOS or Windows Mobile...

                          But hey its cost-free kind of even that means that you sell all your data to google, and have no control over nothing.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by nightmarex View Post
                            Kind of like my server machine should be called screen/ncurses/gnu/linux?

                            My opinion it's GNU/Linux until llvm supplants it if it ever does.
                            That would at least then fork the operating system, I would not switch to a less free operating system, so would many people think. Maybe less than 50% we have no numbers about that. Maybe more... at least it would hurt both communities double the work to get your software compiled to one more plattform.

                            I am not even shure, that even Linus would want that, he maybe disagreed to GPL v3 but from GPL v2 -> BSD is a astronical difference. its a totaly different view on freedom. AS far as I remember Linux never wrote bad stuff about gpl v2, so yes he is good with stuff like android to reach more users and conquer new markets, but if he really would vote (if somebody even asks him) to try hard to remove every peace of gpl software out of linux and make a fork of the operating system for desktop, not from companies but from the community itself. I would doubt that.

                            Lets be practical whats the gain... to split this communities? That you loose your sexiness, that (Linux) itself becomes a lockdown android?

                            Why did linux succeed, yes the desktop took long but linux even made it impossible for companies like valve to ignore it, because it was always technicaly better? No then MacosX would have won against windows ages ago. Because it was cost-free? No, why woudl then bsd not been successful?
                            Because of the mascot? Maybe, but really do you think that this big movement is all about a good sympatic mascot? More Freedom in contrast to MS, Yes thats it.


                            I could understand all this buzz, if the question would be to call it gnu vs linux, but its GNU/Linux vs Linux... I even would not have any problem if you call it because of lazyness most of the time only linux, but at least in articles where you want to say something about non-android linux -> gnu/linux.
                            Last edited by blackiwid; 02-21-2014, 09:58 AM.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by sarmad View Post
                              Is ChromeOS actually Linux? Yes, it uses the Linux kernel but that's not what people refer to when they say Linux. By Linux they usually mean GNU/Linux and ChromeOS is not a GNU/Linux OS.
                              ChromeOS is hardened Gentoo + some other crap thrown in on top. So yes it really is GNU/Linux, unlike android which tried to avoid everything GNU where it can.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                                Why did linux succeed, yes the desktop took long but linux even made it impossible for companies like valve to ignore it, because it was always technicaly better? No then MacosX would have won against windows ages ago. Because it was cost-free? No, why woudl then bsd not been successful?
                                Because of the mascot? Maybe, but really do you think that this big movement is all about a good sympatic mascot? More Freedom in contrast to MS, Yes thats it.
                                But BSD is successful because it accomplished what it set out to be.
                                It's not as successful as Linux, but you don't rate success like that. It's like if I got 1st in high jumping it's not considered a success because someone else got first in long jumping which I was also competing in.

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