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    Phoronix: GStreamer Might Tackle DRM, Blu-Ray Support

    At the recent GStreamer Conference 2013 there was a presentation on "Taking Gstreamer to the Next Level" and in there some interesting features were brought up...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTUzODY

  • #2
    There certainly would be many Linux users interested in better Blu-ray support!

    Not interested, I'm not using blu-rays. And bringing support for DRM in Gstreamer sounds like a very controversial topic. Many won't like that garbage to be present anywhere in the system.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by shmerl View Post
      Many won't like that garbage to be present anywhere in the system.
      Then they don't have to install it, it is as simple as that.

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      • #4
        I tried to migrate to using a Windows 7 based HTPC for playing blu rays a while back (maybe a couple of years ago). It was horrible, even using commercial software. Simple things like pausing, resuming, fast-forward and rewind seemed to be buggy as hell. I'm not sure how much it might have improved, but it's a format that does not seem to play well with PCs. I'm not sure it's realistic to expect Linux to be able to play it flawlessly.

        And while I understand the previous poster in their dislike of the format, not all of us are Stallman-level FOSS zealots. I, for one, would be interested in blu ray playback on Linux, I just don't have very high expectations. So I'll probably stick to my standalone player.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by deanjo View Post
          Then they don't have to install it, it is as simple as that.
          There's more to that.
          DRM is essential for the market. The problem with DRM is the same as with greed or software patents - it's not because it exists but because it's vastly abused.

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          • #6
            blu-ray works with makemkv

            Originally posted by kaprikawn View Post
            I tried to migrate to using a Windows 7 based HTPC for playing blu rays a while back (maybe a couple of years ago). It was horrible, even using commercial software. Simple things like pausing, resuming, fast-forward and rewind seemed to be buggy as hell. I'm not sure how much it might have improved, but it's a format that does not seem to play well with PCs. I'm not sure it's realistic to expect Linux to be able to play it flawlessly.

            And while I understand the previous poster in their dislike of the format, not all of us are Stallman-level FOSS zealots. I, for one, would be interested in blu ray playback on Linux, I just don't have very high expectations. So I'll probably stick to my standalone player.

            since some years blu-ray works using xbmc and makemkv. It loads the bluray slower because it kind of streams it to the system, but it improved a lot. Since some months it is even much easier to install and to use because it does not need a xbmc-addon anymore. After installation you just pull it in and press on the "play disc" button in xbmc. And it does not even cost a cent.

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            • #7
              Isn't there libaacs already anyway? (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/BluRay). It covers most of the basic needs for those who really need this.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                Isn't there libaacs already anyway? (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/BluRay). It covers most of the basic needs for those who really need this.
                Except this doesn't include BD+, and libaacs can be interesting to get to work for newer disks.

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                • #9
                  Is there any work on 3D support in MKVs or Blu-Rays? I'm specifically wondering about MVC streams which are used on 3D Blu-Rays and in MKVs.

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                  • #10
                    Any news about supporting MVC-streams? These are used in 3D Blu-Rays and MKVs.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                      There certainly would be many Linux users interested in better Blu-ray support!

                      Not interested, I'm not using blu-rays. And bringing support for DRM in Gstreamer sounds like a very controversial topic. Many won't like that garbage to be present anywhere in the system.
                      And? Who cares what they think? There are plenty of us that would like to get Bluray support so we could rip the free Bluray discs at the library and the $1.25 24 hour rentals from Redbox for our HTPC.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mark45 View Post
                        There's more to that.
                        DRM is essential for the market. The problem with DRM is the same as with greed or software patents - it's not because it exists but because it's vastly abused.
                        Exactly, see unobtrusive DRM such as that employed by Steam or Desura vs. something like UPlay.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tomtomme View Post
                          since some years blu-ray works using xbmc and makemkv. It loads the bluray slower because it kind of streams it to the system, but it improved a lot. Since some months it is even much easier to install and to use because it does not need a xbmc-addon anymore. After installation you just pull it in and press on the "play disc" button in xbmc. And it does not even cost a cent.
                          It's worth to point out that the way makemkv treated BD+ could be considered as inappropriate in some country.
                          Still, it seems to be only way to watch authentic Blu-ray copy on Linux for now.

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                          • #14
                            The problem is, DRM is fundamentally incompatible with open source.

                            If you have an open source DRM mechanism, what stops anyone from just looking at the source to figure out how to bypass the DRM?

                            So if GStreamer wants to support any DRM scheme, it would mean binary blobs for sure.

                            DRM goes against user freedom, it's a hostile technique used to take away the control of our hardware from us. No Sony rootkits for me thank you!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                              Then they don't have to install it, it is as simple as that.
                              No, it's not simple as that. In order to be effective (theoretically, as practical effectiveness of DRM is all but non-existent), DRM requires modifications to the platform it runs on that need to be withstood by the whole community using that platform, not only by the users who volountarly choose to be subjugated by DRM.

                              In other words, GStreamer's DRM support would find effective usage on user-restricted hardware such as phones and tablets but not on open source OSes where anyone can look at the output of any "binary blob", thereby defeating the purpose of the binary blob itself.

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