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  • #31
    Its all lies until he shows the evidence. I can say Windows infringes on the GPL all I want, but until I say exactly what it is its all just a lie. I know nothing about the kernel, nor have I seen it or Windows source code so I cannot say whether or not that it does. I think Microsoft should be held accountable for saying statements like that with no evidence, that would be slander to any other business, so why not when its Microsoft?

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    • #32
      Well f*cking said. And you know the reason why they can continue spouting bull from their mouth? It's because M$ has the money to buy off any judge that has a thing to say in such a lawsuit. There, I said it.

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      • #33
        Well, Novell has issued an open letter to the community...


        http://www.novell.com/linux/microsof...en_letter.html
        Michael Larabel
        http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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        • #34
          "In closing, we wish to be extremely clear that Novell is committed to protecting, preserving and promoting freedom for free and open source software."

          So you join up with Microsoft. I may not understand this, but that makes little sense. Can't beat them, so join em?

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          • #35
            I'm surprised to see that Novell thinks enough of the community to make this statement, and I think it shows that they are aware how much of a problem this partnership is to them now. I just can't understand how they could have ever thought this deal would be good for a company in their position... it makes me think that the people in charge of that company are only interested in profits, and Microsoft's money spends just like everyone else's. The problem is that Microsoft's money comes with lots of strings attached.

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            • #36
              Mark Shuttleworth posted on his blog a message about recruiting new Ubuntu developers, and seems to be targeted at OpenSuSE developers due to this Novell deal.

              http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/81
              Michael Larabel
              http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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              • #37
                Some more Microsoft + Novell (OpenSuSE) information...

                http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/27/2113210
                Michael Larabel
                http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                • #38
                  Groklaw is running an article now stating that Novell is forking OpenOffice.org to provide Microsoft OpenXML support: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...61204130954610

                  Miguel de Icaza has also responded to these allegations: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Dec-04.html
                  Michael Larabel
                  http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Michael View Post
                    Mark Shuttleworth posted on his blog a message about recruiting new Ubuntu developers, and seems to be targeted at OpenSuSE developers due to this Novell deal.

                    http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/81
                    Some people (probably the more level-headed of the community I might add) say that Mark Shuttleworth's recent offer to SuSE developers is not good for the GNU/Linux community as a whole. While there is some bit of "truth" there, I can't say that I agree.

                    The problem isn't Mark Shuttleworth (or anyone else in the Linux community) trying to create a benefit for their project out of the Microsoft/Novell deal... the problem is THE DEAL ITSELF. It was obvious that this deal would create fighting within the community, and this is exactly what Microsoft wants. And now today I read that Novell will fork OpenOffice... so they can add support for Microsoft's replacement for the Open Document Format! I can't believe that Novell thinks this will go over well with the Open Source community. Shuttleworth was right to make the offer... everyone knows there has to be numerous SuSE developers steaming over what their corporate executives have done over the last week or two. After all, they are part of Open Source community themselves. If those developers are serious about supporting open standards (like ODF), then why would they possibly feel the need to include Microsoft's replacement for ODF (OpenXML) in one of the most popular open-source applications available? I'm sure SuSE will see a rather large decrease in developers within the next couple of months, and they may as well go to a distribution that could never be put in the same situation as SuSE is currently.

                    Microsoft wouldn't have ever been able to make such a deal with a community-driven distribution like Debian and its derivatives. Yes, Ubuntu has a company behind it that pays developers and makes money from supporting the distribution, but that company and it's leader are completely commited to Open-Source ideals (not making their shareholders happy... there are none), and money is not an issue (it has been stated numerous times by Shuttleworth that even if Canonical doesnt' make any money from Ubuntu, the distribution will continue), and at Ubuntu's core is Debian... arguably the most community-driven non-proprietary open-source distribution out there (ok, this one is my thoughts.. not necessary fact ).

                    Microsoft is at it again. They've caused more problems for open-source recently by very successfully playing off the biggest problem that the Open-Source community as a whole has... fractioning into smaller groups. The more fractioned the community is, the easier it is for a corporate monopoly to push their agenda and cause problems for those who would like to see more choices. Maybe this whole situation will cause the Open-Source community as a whole to rethink how this thing works. I don't know if this means cutting down on the number of distributions (instead possibly making LSB encompass more about the OS), desktop environments (thank god for the Portland project), or choices in every possible aspect of today's Linux distribution (package management and binary compatibility needs to be standard in my opinion), but I for one am ready for such a discussion as well as an associated change that makes GNU/Linux a stronger competitor and better replacement to proprietary offerings than it is now.

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                    • #40
                      There is yet another repercussion from the MS-Novell patent deal...

                      The legendary Jeremy Allison (of Samba fame) has resigned from Novell in protest over the Microsoft-Novell patent agreement, which he calls "a mistake" which will be "damaging to Novell's success in the future."

                      His main issue with the deal, though, is "that even if it does not violate the letter of the licence, it violates the intent of the GPL licence the Samba code is released under, which is to treat all recipients of the code equally." He leaves the company at the end of this month. He explained why in a message sent to several Novell email lists, and the message included his letter to management:
                      http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...61221081000710
                      Michael Larabel
                      http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                      • #41
                        I am glad to see that even some Novell employees don't find the deal palatable. I'm sure that we will see more resignations in the near future. He's absolutely right on the money by suggesting that there is no course of action to redeem themselves in the eyes of the community while the deal is in effect....Perhaps, even if and when it gets canceled, they might never be able to redeem their tarnished image.

                        It's only my personal opinion, but I think of N + MS as trying everything to skirt the legalities of the GPL2....I have never heard the license issue put as simply as his argument about the MS EULA. Kudos to Jeremy for standing up and doing what he believes is right!

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                        • #42
                          Few things:
                          * FAQ on this is available here
                          * Novell/Suse has contributed to many projects, including Gnome and kde, they have the copyright to compiz, and xgl(I think)

                          So unless your pretty much not using network manager, nothing mono related, no samba, not the kde4 live cd, not X(yes they did contribute, even if it was a little), xen, probably as far as the kernel, you're not free of Novell's reach

                          Sorry to bring back an old thread, there were just too many negative/maybes

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by some-guy View Post
                            Few things:
                            * FAQ on this is available here
                            * Novell/Suse has contributed to many projects, including Gnome and kde, they have the copyright to compiz, and xgl(I think)

                            So unless your pretty much not using network manager, nothing mono related, no samba, not the kde4 live cd, not X(yes they did contribute, even if it was a little), xen, probably as far as the kernel, you're not free of Novell's reach

                            Sorry to bring back an old thread, there were just too many negative/maybes
                            Sigh...
                            A. Having contributed to a GPL project (Say, RedHat's NM) doesn't change the term under-which the project is released. If anything bad happens due to the MS-Novel cross-patent agreement it will have zero effect on such projects.
                            B. It will have huge effect on MS-technology-based projects (Such as mono) that Novel is shoving down deep our throat.
                            C. By entering such an agreement Novel has helped MS in it's on-going attempts to stifle the OSS eco-system by using the aging-yet-useless patent system. Neither the FAQ nor your argument can change that.

                            Yes, Novel is a big OSS contributer - no doubt about it.
                            I just doubt that these contributions are enough to put a positive spin on Novel's cowardly capitulation in-front of MS' FUD machine.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by gilboa View Post
                              Sigh...
                              B. It will have huge effect on MS-technology-based projects (Such as mono) that Novel is shoving down deep our throat.
                              How is it shoving it down anybodies thoat? You have the freedom to choose if you wish to use it or not.

                              C. By entering such an agreement Novel has helped MS in it's on-going attempts to stifle the OSS eco-system by using the aging-yet-useless patent system. Neither the FAQ nor your argument can change that.
                              The patent system is the gov't fault. Novell is simply addressing the issue and not ignoring it. Blame the gov't not the company that is following the laws of the land.

                              I just doubt that these contributions are enough to put a positive spin on Novel's cowardly capitulation in-front of MS' FUD machine.
                              Novells capitalization on the situation results in more investment into the various projects it sponsors as well. FOSS does see increased funding directly from the deal.


                              There are multiple views on how it can be perceived. Unfortunately, people tend to limit what they want to see instead of seeing the entire picture.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                                There are multiple views on how it can be perceived. Unfortunately, people tend to limit what they want to see instead of seeing the entire picture.
                                "Seeing the big picture" has nothing to do with it.
                                It's all a matter of risk assessment.
                                I asses (with good reason) that a end-of-all-things patent war is bound to happen once Microsoft feels threatened (E.g. if Microsoft's mind-share continues to drop, followed by the market share drop [Like the one Microsoft is experiencing in the private sector]).
                                I further asses that project such as moonlight and mono will be the first targets in this future Microsoft-led patent war.

                                Now, if you agree with these two basic assessments than:
                                A. Novel's cross patent deal can, and will be used by Microsoft to attack the OSS ecosystem.
                                B. Novel's push to integrate (into GNOME) Microsoft developed technologies such as .NET and Silverlight at the expense (?) of competing OSS technologies can, and will be used by Microsoft to attack other Linux distributions.
                                C. Novel should have been aware of these predicaments and chose to ignore them - one can only wonder why and to what end.

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