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  • Whats your take on the Microsoft/Novell Partnership?

    http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/

    re-Web cast of the announcement will be posted soon. What is your take on the implications of this deal? Why do you think They did it? Will the Linux community shun Novell?

  • #2
    It's M$'s first step towards acknowledging that after more than 30 years of trying, they've failed to make a competent O.S. GNU/Linux is apparently no longer a cancer, in M$'s view. They've also realized that after Vista is released, the ball stops there. Even M$ knows blackcomb is dead. There's so much broken stuff, things that will not be included before RTM in Vista already etc. etc. etc. that they're either:
    1. need to start from scratch, undoing 30+ years of work in the process;

    or,

    2. take an existing secure O.S., like...uhm...SUSE Enterprise, polish it up further and release that as their flagship O.S. of choice.

    Some food for thought.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 1c3d0g View Post
      It's M$'s first step towards acknowledging that after more than 30 years of trying, they've failed to make a competent O.S. GNU/Linux is apparently no longer a cancer, in M$'s view. They've also realized that after Vista is released, the ball stops there. Even M$ knows blackcomb is dead. There's so much broken stuff, things that will not be included before RTM in Vista already etc. etc. etc. that they're either:
      1. need to start from scratch, undoing 30+ years of work in the process;

      or,

      2. take an existing secure O.S., like...uhm...SUSE Enterprise, polish it up further and release that as their flagship O.S. of choice.

      Some food for thought.
      Nice thoughts.

      The last time I think I bothered to look at information about Blackcomb must have been 2002 or 2003. Is Blackcomb still supposed to have its kernel stored on a server at Microsoft, to prevent pirating? Then again, if Microsoft continues in their current roadmap even that pirating measure would probably be pushed back to Blackcomb+1 due to delays.

      I remember hearing years ago about WinFS, Aero, Avalon, and several other supposedly "big features". Anyone that has touched a Vista / Longhorn Beta or Release Candidate, how many of these features really ended up getting implemented?
      Michael Larabel
      http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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      • #4
        This could be a huge mistake for Novell, or a good one. The majority of people who hate the thought of this are enthusiasts.

        It will be interesting... to say the least.

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        • #5
          There's already people calling for a boycott of Novell/SUSE... http://www.openaddict.com/news.php?item.227.3
          Michael Larabel
          http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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          • #6
            That guy is a f*cking idiot! Sorry but that just had to be said. Instead of embracing this as a unique opportunity to convince M$ of their wrong doings and bringing them "into the light", he's trying to add fuel to the fire. How pathetic can you be?

            Some people in the Open Source community really are a PITA, I'll tell you that.
            Last edited by 1c3d0g; 11-04-2006, 07:49 AM. Reason: typo...

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            • #7
              I totally agree. In time we will see what comes of all this.
              Last edited by KohlyKohl; 11-04-2006, 12:50 AM.

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              • #8
                I totally agree with your statement 1c3d0g
                Michael Larabel
                http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                • #9
                  Miguel de Icaza has done a Q&A type thing on his blog about the Microsoft + Novell deal, especially when it comes to the Mono project.

                  http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Nov-04.html
                  Michael Larabel
                  http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                  • #10
                    That was a very well put article.
                    Last edited by KohlyKohl; 11-04-2006, 06:54 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Looking at Microsoft's ways of doing business, one can only come to the conclusion that Novel/SUSE is dead. Period.
                      Question is, if and when Microsoft goes for the kill, would OSDL and the members of the OIN will have sufficient patents in their collective portfolio to create a MAD like standoff with Microsoft.

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                      • #12
                        http://technocrat.net/d/2006/11/2/9945

                        Bruce Perens' stance towards the issue.

                        This indeed does not bode well.

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                        • #13
                          I agree with Miguel. People need to give this time. I know there are still a lot of ill feelings towards M$ (believe me I'm one of them), but people need to try to look at this in a more constructive way.

                          Personally, I believe M$ is feeling the heat that F/OSS is unleashing on their products. With Oracle's recent surprise announcement about making a Red Hat clone (that's what it basically is) and with SUN's Solaris' sales soaring, maybe the time has come for M$ to seriously evaluate their position. Perhaps they've realized that they won't be able to hold onto their current market share for much longer, especially after the mega disaster called Vista.

                          I'll go as far as saying that, knowing M$, they're probably thinkering intensively with a customized *BSD/*nix distro in a dark lab somewhere in Redmond, which at some point in time, will be their "base" from which they'll build upon. Hey, Apple did it with with the switch from v.9 to Mac OS X, and then again with an architecture shift from PPC to x86. If they can do it, why not M$, which has a lot more cash? Never say never. "The Switch" will come some day, mark my words.

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                          • #14
                            Here's what I think:

                            1. This will certainly make the average zealot very ticked as Novell "sold out." This will probably lead to a little downturn in participation and use of OpenSUSE and a lot of ill will toward Novell.

                            2. Novell probably thinks it's a good thing as they can use Microsoft as an {ally|resource|weapon} with which to cut down Red Hat and secure the business Linux market.

                            3. Microsoft is the real question mark. They no doubt would love to sue or drive Linux out of existence, but they tried and failed miserably with SCO trying to do that. Maybe they are ceding the server market to Linux and "if you can't beat them, join them?" Maybe. MS did release a big-iron version of Windows Server, so this is not a super high reason in my mind. Besides, Microsoft does not like to partner all that much. They might have well *bought* Novell if they wanted to do that. Might Microsoft try to use Novell to disrupt the Linux market with patent issues through Novell? Very possibly. They tried to do it with SCO. Might MS try to pick things out of Linux to put in Windows? Possibly, but they needed not to partner with anybody to do that- the code is out there for the looking.

                            Probably the best reasons for MS to do this is that they:

                            A. Want to sell (or sell service for) Linux. It is popular and if MS sells it and puts any effort into it, then there's nobody that will beat them. NOBODY. They would literally own the market in a year as the IT guys sold on the advantages of Linux would likely have the PHBs want them to get it from Microsoft as to them, Microsoft == software.

                            B. Want to try to worm in proprietary code into a major Linux vendor's products and then shoot down anybody that uses it after the partnership is up.

                            C. Want to try to worm in proprietary code into hot Linux applications (say that Novell makes a killer app and MS helps them with it and it's not GPL.) This is possible but would be worked around.

                            D. Want to corrupt the GPL or open standards. For example, Novell does make its own branded version of OpenOffice- it's conceivable that MS might want Novell to make their version's ODFs slightly incompatible with others. "Oh, but MS Word will work the same on all computers" is what will come out of Redmond.

                            What do I hope happens? I personally would not mind if Microsoft became a GPL-following Linux distributor and sold (optional) support. Fact is that I like Linux and it does need a large, wealthy group to pour a lot of money into it to make it the OS to beat all others into a pulp beyond pulp. The only thing that I would have hesitation about with MS selling Linux is that they would revert to their old tricks and make it incompatible with any other Linux, DRM-laden, and not configurable. Windows XP on a Linux kernel is not really what I'd like to see.

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                            • #15
                              Mmm... This is interesting, heres my take on it. I think if Microsoft tries to start taking swings at Linux, the only way Linux will survive is that the key people like Linus, and the people like i'm sure alot of us if not all of us here do something, at least one thing to help Open Source whether its reporting bugs, giving ideas or like what Michael does with this site, or Tuxgames by selling native Linux games, anything. Something to contribute.

                              I don't think Microsoft has a chance, we're too free to be able to be tamed, and I believe Microsoft has seen some of the awesome projects that have came out of Open Source, such as the Beryl project with their innovative ways of creating a 3d desktop, or even more famous ones like Open Office, or even as high up as Firefox.

                              The point is, they can try, but they won't succeed, so say SuSE goes bye bye, thats too bad, but, there are still alot of other great distros out there. But it could lead to a small chain reaction too like what someone else said, where SuSE is using Microsoft to go after Redhat, so basically, SuSE is now the bigger fish, swallows Redhat, Microsoft wants to now swallow SuSE, but whats left to swallow? Sun? I don't know about that hehe.

                              I don't think we'll have much to worry about however, i'm just letting out possibilities, but I don't think it will do that much to the Linux/Open Source community. We're free, they're not.

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