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  • #16
    Originally posted by LightBit View Post
    This is what Unix philosophy says.
    This reminds me a lot about people quoting the bible to support their arguments...

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    • #17
      Systemd exposes processes and all their relationships/peculiarities as files in the filesystem,
      actually promoting the Unix mantra of "everything is a file".

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      • #18
        Timofonica

        "timofonic" reminds me a lot about people in Spain :-)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
          CLA is irrelevant if the code is under the LGPL and GPL.
          The freedom to avoid CA is explicitly mentioned as a FEATURE of systemd! http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html

          Systemd is not the right place for CA/CLA, several companies has a policy of reluctance towards signing such deals(RH included) and Debian recognizes CA/CLA as harm done to developers. So now now PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP about relevancy.
          Last edited by funkSTAR; 01-08-2013, 11:42 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Nth_man View Post
            Qt is licensed under QPL, GPL and LGPL, it can't be a walled garden and anyone can use Qt, study it, modify it, adapt it, distribute it, etc.
            Off course it is a walled garden! It adds unnecessary burdens to free software developers and excludes some as well. Oh yeah and it is just downright RUDE to demand free software hackers to give avay rights. Whats next?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
              Off course it is a walled garden! It adds unnecessary burdens to free software developers and excludes some as well. Oh yeah and it is just downright RUDE to demand free software hackers to give avay rights. Whats next?
              I have written some software in the past, which I licensed under GPL, so I am probably a free software developer.
              What burden does Qt add to me?

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              • #22
                Code:
                $ size -t /lib/systemd/systemd /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so /usr/bin/dbus-daemon
                   text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
                 896610	 107564	   2496	1006670	  f5c4e	/lib/systemd/systemd
                 269976	   4060	    864	 274900	  431d4	/usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so
                 384959	   4232	   2512	 391703	  5fa17	/usr/bin/dbus-daemon
                1551545	 115856	   5872	1673273	 198839	(TOTALS)
                
                $ size -t /sbin/init /bin/sh /sbin/kmod /bin/awk /sbin/mount /sbin/umount /bin/kill
                   text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
                  31893	   2100	    712	  34705	   8791	/sbin/init
                 121123	   2268	  12400	 135791	  2126f	/bin/sh
                  74038	   4536	     80	  78654	  1333e	/sbin/kmod
                 112482	   3660	   2024	 118166	  1cd96	/bin/awk
                  87638	   4360	   4536	  96534	  17916	/sbin/mount
                  66976	   2408	   4408	  73792	  12040	/sbin/umount
                  14375	   1480	     40	  15895	   3e17	/bin/kill
                 508525	  20812	  24200	 553537	  87241	(TOTALS)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                  Systemd is not the right place for CA/CLA
                  You don't need any CLA, you idiot, you just take the LGPLed/GPLed Qt code code without signing anything. Anybody can use the code and modify it without copyright assignment. Just fork it.

                  How hard is that to understand?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                    You don't need any CLA, you idiot, you just take the LGPLed/GPLed Qt code code without signing anything. Anybody can use the code and modify it without copyright assignment. Just fork it.

                    How hard is that to understand?
                    Sorry but you are not a very beight kid are you? Please realize there is a difference between a fork and a merge.

                    Merges reduce maintainship while forks end up wasting hours.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Ancurio View Post
                      I have written some software in the past, which I licensed under GPL, so I am probably a free software developer.
                      What burden does Qt add to me?
                      Now go write a Qt patch licensed as GPL. Will digia accept it? No.

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                      • #26
                        Here come the haterz...

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                          Sorry but you are not a very beight kid are you? Please realize there is a difference between a fork and a merge.
                          If you want to integrate Qt into systemd, nothing is stopping you and you don't need to sign anything. That's all that you need to know.

                          Whether Digia accepts your patches is not relevant to this scenario. They can continue developing it out-of-tree, like udev is being developed, if they wish to. But there is still nothing stopping you from taking all of Qt and merging it into systemd.

                          It is really simple, and if you weren't a troll caught jumping into your own mouth, this would be very easy to understand.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by LightBit View Post
                            Code:
                            $ size -t /lib/systemd/systemd /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so /usr/bin/dbus-daemon
                               text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
                             896610	 107564	   2496	1006670	  f5c4e	/lib/systemd/systemd
                             269976	   4060	    864	 274900	  431d4	/usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so
                             384959	   4232	   2512	 391703	  5fa17	/usr/bin/dbus-daemon
                            1551545	 115856	   5872	1673273	 198839	(TOTALS)
                            
                            $ size -t /sbin/init /bin/sh /sbin/kmod /bin/awk /sbin/mount /sbin/umount /bin/kill
                               text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
                              31893	   2100	    712	  34705	   8791	/sbin/init
                             121123	   2268	  12400	 135791	  2126f	/bin/sh
                              74038	   4536	     80	  78654	  1333e	/sbin/kmod
                             112482	   3660	   2024	 118166	  1cd96	/bin/awk
                              87638	   4360	   4536	  96534	  17916	/sbin/mount
                              66976	   2408	   4408	  73792	  12040	/sbin/umount
                              14375	   1480	     40	  15895	   3e17	/bin/kill
                             508525	  20812	  24200	 553537	  87241	(TOTALS)
                            Point? Yes Systemd is bigger than initand dbus is bigger than sh. Congrats, you can do math. But systemd does A LOT more than init ever did and I dont just mean "feature wise" I mean to ensure proper start up, shutdown and restart of services as well as their logging.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                              Point? Yes Systemd is bigger than initand dbus is bigger than sh. Congrats, you can do math. But systemd does A LOT more than init ever did and I dont just mean "feature wise" I mean to ensure proper start up, shutdown and restart of services as well as their logging.
                              This is only systemd core (pid 1).

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by LightBit View Post
                                This is only systemd core (pid 1).
                                FreeDos is smaller than linux, this means it must be better, right? (this seems to be your implication)

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