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  • GNU Grep & Sed: Fallout Within The GNU FSF Camp

    Phoronix: GNU Grep & Sed: Fallout Within The GNU FSF Camp

    It seems there's some dissenting views finally being pushed into the center of the table for discussion about the GNU project and Free Software Foundation. This comes as the maintainer of GNU Grep and Sed has announced his resignation from the projects...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI2MDM

  • #2
    One does not simply tease Fallout players with a Linux port in the title without major disappointment after discovering it's not what we thought.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BoTuLoX View Post
      One does not simply tease Fallout players with a Linux port in the title without major disappointment after discovering it's not what we thought.
      Playing Fallout is less likely to result in violence than working with sed and regex.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BoTuLoX View Post
        One does not simply tease Fallout players with a Linux port in the title without major disappointment after discovering it's not what we thought.
        Oh god damn it ... right in the English comprehension.

        Seriously though, I'm a Fallout player myself and the game didn't even occur to me until you mentioned it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Larian View Post
          Oh god damn it ... right in the English comprehension.

          Seriously though, I'm a Fallout player myself and the game didn't even occur to me until you mentioned it.
          seconded lol

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          • #6
            GNU seems like such a relic of the past now.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by johnc View Post
              GNU seems like such a relic of the past now.
              Not so much as a "relic" but more of a jersey in need of retirement! In sports terminlogy it sounds slightly less disrespecful...

              In all seriousness, Linux would not be what it is today without the GNU project; that's a fact that will always be true no matter how much GNU software we actually use in the future.
              Last edited by CTown; 12-24-2012, 02:36 PM.

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              • #8
                the FSF and GNU foundations are 20+ year old organizations that maintain a bunch of unix tools that are scarcely ever thought of any more. how terrible would it be if grep and sed fell out of existance tomorrow? how long before a couple fresh out of collage programmers would come up with a more feature ritch replacement written in a more maintainable codebase that was more easily integrated with modern componants. what GNU and FSF did in the past was great. they made some foundations that back then were dificult to do and had to be done in order for a free software world to emerge. but today, they if anything seem more likely to hold back progression that to support it. gnash? wtf how is that such a dead end. FSF blurting out something about a powerVR driver yet has mothing to show for it? look at these guys that sit down for a couple long weeks and come up with a 5% driver for some other mobile graphics chipsets, ya i know, their accomplishments are largely overated and they are far from a stable driver thats well integrated with the linux ecosystem and they are not much more than tech demos or decoding tools, but at least they have more to show than a paragraph on a page nobody visits.

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                • #9
                  my post in Linux General contained this link too: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/529522/854aed3fb6398b79/ thoughtful details all the way, also the comments are much on topic

                  good read, sad topic

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                  • #10
                    Like all extremists, they tend to exagerate and eventually end up being isolated by themself. I'm sure Stallman is smart enough to not finish in this way (the same way dictators end).

                    At the same time, no one should ever say or think that GNU is obsolete. That is completley wrong and "dangerous" statement.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by benjamin545 View Post
                      the FSF and GNU foundations are 20+ year old organizations that maintain a bunch of unix tools that are scarcely ever thought of any more. how terrible would it be if grep and sed fell out of existance tomorrow?
                      Remove all GNU software from your computer (not GPL-licensed, not FSF-endorsed, only the "GNU operating system" stuff) and see how far you get with that Seriously, try it, just for a laugh.

                      Anyway, as was commented elsewhere, this is a tempest in a teapot. A maintainer stepped down, but made it clear that he still supports the goals of the project. Big deal...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by benjamin545 View Post
                        the FSF and GNU foundations are 20+ year old organizations that maintain a bunch of unix tools that are scarcely ever thought of any more. how terrible would it be if grep and sed fell out of existance tomorrow? how long before a couple fresh out of collage programmers would come up with a more feature ritch replacement written in a more maintainable codebase that was more easily integrated with modern componants.
                        Sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

                        I (plus many others) use the likes of sed and grep every day of our working life! Scarcely thought about? Not at all.

                        As to the idea of college fresh programmers coming up with something comparable in reasonable time? Hogwash! It would probably take a dozen years while they rewrote the code dozens of times based on increasing experience to fix all their early mistakes.

                        And during these dozen years yours system would be unusable because so much stuff would break! Try taking a look for grep, sed, and all the other GNU command line tools in your init scripts. Once the basics were available, we would still be banging our heads against a wall because of bugs or missing features. Ever tried to use the Solaris grep and sed commands? Complete PITA!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CTown View Post
                          Not so much as a "relic" but more of a jersey in need of retirement! In sports terminlogy it sounds slightly less disrespecful...

                          In all seriousness, Linux would not be what it is today without the GNU project; that's a fact that will always be true no matter how much GNU software we actually use in the future.
                          In all seriousness, Linux would not be what it is today without billions of dollars from Corporate Development.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kiwi_kid_aka_bod View Post
                            Sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

                            I (plus many others) use the likes of sed and grep every day of our working life! Scarcely thought about? Not at all.

                            As to the idea of college fresh programmers coming up with something comparable in reasonable time? Hogwash! It would probably take a dozen years while they rewrote the code dozens of times based on increasing experience to fix all their early mistakes.

                            And during these dozen years yours system would be unusable because so much stuff would break! Try taking a look for grep, sed, and all the other GNU command line tools in your init scripts. Once the basics were available, we would still be banging our heads against a wall because of bugs or missing features. Ever tried to use the Solaris grep and sed commands? Complete PITA!
                            Agreed. I've never met a serious developer on any UNIX platform that wasn't married to sed/grep/awk and when mastered could accomplish large amounts of work, in very small amounts of effort on their part.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BoTuLoX View Post
                              One does not simply tease Fallout players with a Linux port in the title without major disappointment after discovering it's not what we thought.
                              While I didn't at all think this was a port announcement from the title, the title did make me immediately think of Fallout. ... I'm pretty sure any use of that word would though.

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