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    Phoronix: Linus Torvalds Switches Back To KDE

    Linus Torvalds has announced today via his Google+ page that he's switched back to using the KDE desktop. He's provided his positive and negative feedback after having previously dumped KDE/GNOME in favour of Xfce...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTIyMDY

  • #2
    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: Linus Torvalds Switches Back To KDE

    Linus Torvalds has announced today via his Google+ page that he's switched back to using the KDE desktop. He's provided his positive and negative feedback after having previously dumped KDE/GNOME in favour of Xfce...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTIyMDY
    LOL, what a flamewar this will cause

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    • #3
      I give him 2 weeks before he switches to something else.

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      • #4
        This just proves how wise and intelligent Linus is, just like all KDE users.

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        • #5
          From article:

          The Linux kernel creator hasn't commented though on what motivated him to leave Xfce.
          But he did .. Isn't it obvious? Wobbly windows!

          "But ah, the ability to configure things. And I have wobbly windows again. "

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          • #6
            Being a KDE fan, I think Linus' complaints are fair and justifyable, however, I wouldn't find them to be compelling reasons to not use KDE. You can choose to change the appearance, not use widgets, and ignore settings that you don't want to mess with.

            IMO, what KDE needs most right now is:
            * Fixes on some compositing glitches on certain themes
            * Faster startup time (KDE loads way too slowly, but I haven't used the latest releases yet)
            * systemsettings needs to be overhauled, because there are lots of inconsistencies and poor organization. It should be divided into a few main sections (eye-candy, UI settings, admin settings, hardware settings, etc) and then each of those should be divided into their own categories (so under eye-candy there could be kwin compositing, themes, color schemes, etc). This way you can ignore entire sections that are daunting or unappealling to users who want something as simple as GNOME.
            * Lessen dependencies on packages that shouldn't matter, such as nepomuk or konqueror.


            @Rigaldo
            Those features may be why he likes KDE, but they weren't reasons to leave XFCE. In other words, Linus didn't say what made him dislike XFCE, if he does at all.

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            • #7
              KDE's default mouse cursors are laughable. This is one of the reasons why people say KDE looks "cartoony." Instead of sharp, precise pointer, we get a bulky, fuzzy piece of madness.

              Why KDE doesn't simply adopt Vanilla-DMZ as its default mouse cursor theme is beyond me.

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              • #8
                So God has smiled again upon us, KDE users.

                KDE is very enjoyable if the first thing done after installing the distro is changing the Plasma theme. The default one... needs a bit more polishing, I guess. Nevertheless, I have some plasmoids I can't live without anymore, especially the one playing online radio stations. Does any other DE have that feature? Havent found such DE yet (or, more likely, haven't tried hard enough).
                Last edited by Reloaded211; 11-02-2012, 03:43 PM.

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                • #9
                  Whooo

                  Whooo

                  I use XFCE with Compiz. I have wobbling windows too.... No reason for KDE... And expo mode... And all-windows-at-once mode, much better than alt-tab... and Alt-tab with preview...

                  Not that I dislike KDE,.. I like it a lot! .. but if your point is to use less memory, XFCE+Compiz rock. But KDE plasmoids are really cool idea, if you want plasmoids then KDE is really good option!

                  Its that I use many applications in active mode, with own window and only time, player, sys resources monitor, clipman as passive in systray.. If I would need more stuff in background with more fun I would switch to KDE.

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                  • #10
                    Prepare for the shit storm, I say.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                      * systemsettings needs to be overhauled, because there are lots of inconsistencies and poor organization. It should be divided into a few main sections (eye-candy, UI settings, admin settings, hardware settings, etc) and then each of those should be divided into their own categories (so under eye-candy there could be kwin compositing, themes, color schemes, etc). This way you can ignore entire sections that are daunting or unappealling to users who want something as simple as GNOME.
                      besides "eye-candy" is called "Workspace and Appearance and Behavior" and "kwin-compositing" is called "Desktop Effects" how do this differ from how it is now?
                      * Lessen dependencies on packages that shouldn't matter, such as nepomuk or konqueror.
                      you can uninstall konqueror, I don't think anything essential is dependent on konqueror.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                        Prepare for the shit storm, I say.
                        Yep, I sense a "little" bit of trolling...

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                        • #13
                          Don't know what people don't like about KDE .. I've used most DEs more or less, and right now I'm on KDE(Ubuntu 12.10). I installed KDE on top(I started with vanilla Ubuntu, and started populating the DEs login list like usual .. xD). Btw, default cursor was DMZ black. But I'll probably change it to oxygen theme .. :P
                          Maybe this is also personal preference, but I do like the theme. Still, I have many choices over it, I can even use GTK themes.
                          Yeah, they're not 100% the same as with GTK apps though ...
                          After a little bit of tweaking, my KDE uses around 500 megs of ram on startup(LXDE around 280 on the same pc and install, for comparison), with most of the functionality intact. By default it's around 600 IIRC. Although I've recently surrendered close to 400 megs to nepomuk(I decided not to fight it anymore, and it seems fine, not slowing anything down, but makes searches fast). I have my ram to use it anyways(4 gigs here). And it's very stable .. Not that it NEVER crashes, but whenever it did, it was automagically back working after a few seconds.

                          I like the integrated theme search a lot too. I think KDE is doing pretty well right now. Even for games, just Alt+Shift+F12 and turns off effects, then when done do that again and all the bling is back on. Tends to work better than undirect I'd say(not a very good solution either in my opinion, but it works well). In fact, you can have effects generally disabled if you don't want them.
                          But I have to agree, there's a few redundant dependencies, and it starts up a bit slow(it's a few seconds we're talking about though), but I'd say it's worth it. And I think they're going in the (mostly) right direction. Can still make various improvements here and there, though.

                          Also, I wouldn't really call me a KDE fan, I often change DEs and pretty much always try the new versions. My favorites as of now are probably KDE and pantheon. Hope we can all get along, regardless of our DE preferences. No reason not to. lol

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rigaldo View Post
                            Don't know what people don't like about KDE
                            The bugs. Too many annoying glitches. Panels lose transparency at random, task bar icons disappear or shift position to weird places, Phonon spams you to death about ALSA devices going away, notifications are completely broken, stuff like that. It feels like KDE is telling you "fuck off, I don't want you. Go use Gnome."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                              The bugs. Too many annoying glitches. Panels lose transparency at random, task bar icons disappear or shift position to weird places, Phonon spams you to death about ALSA devices going away, notifications are completely broken, stuff like that. It feels like KDE is telling you "fuck off, I don't want you. Go use Gnome."
                              I've indeed encountered a taskbar glitch (shifting position) and the sound devices going away(lol on this one xD), but rarely, especially the later. It's not that bad, 99% of the time I have no bugs. Have you had those in the latest versions too?
                              Btw, it's like Gnome is .. Glitch free .. Or is it ..?

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