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  • #16
    Originally posted by oliver View Post
    I also have an accesspoint, a WRT54GL that works very well still. Matter of fact, I don't think any consumerrouters exist that have a 64bit CPU.
    In most cases an router doesn't use an x86 CPU.

    Originally posted by oliver View Post
    So until all these consumer devices are long gone, which can be 20 years easy, I don't see 32bit architecture go away anytime soon.
    They talk about the x86 32bit ABI and not about general 32bit Support. He want do abandon x86-32 for the x32 ABI ( that need an x86 CPU Running in the AMD64 Mode )

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    • #17
      Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
      tbh i think windows 7 should've been the last serious 32 bit release - it would help force people to move away from their P4s. as for linux, there hasn't really been a compelling reason to use 32 bit unless you are a p4 (or older) user. the only difference is linux is still pretty good with that older hardware, so ditching support for it would be annoying for such users. however, those users seem to be left in the dust in many ways anyway, mainly due to GPU support associated by the P4's (and older) generation.
      Acutally some of Intel's latest CPUs are still only 32bit (the Atom z-series). They are used in some Windows 7 tablets like the HP slate series. Microsoft probably didn't think it was time to drop support for them just yet.

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      • #18
        Microsoft also dropped support for...

        ...MIPS, ALPHA and PowerPC with NT 4.0. Linux could do that too.

        Fun reading. Thanks!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by AJSB View Post
          I bet that the secret alleged troll was indeed....the guy responsible by PulseAudio and Systend...


          It's moments like this that make me desire to reinstall Windows XP 32 bit....
          I see what you did there

          You didn't come off as offensive enough to Lennart though - you should have at least called him a douche.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by TheCycoONE View Post
            I see what you did there

            You didn't come off as offensive enough to Lennart though - you should have at least called him a douche.

            Well, what can i say except ....

            Taking in account what he said about Slackware , he really deserves to be called L"D"P instead of LP

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            • #21
              You be right, this is exactly what one would expect Lennart to say.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by nej_simon View Post
                Acutally some of Intel's latest CPUs are still only 32bit (the Atom z-series). They are used in some Windows 7 tablets like the HP slate series. Microsoft probably didn't think it was time to drop support for them just yet.
                A user of such device says hi!

                Yea, dropping 32-bit is just plain stupid. That said, what would be a good thing for Microsoft to do is drop WOW64 by not having it installed by default. Perhaps offer it as a download. That would be enough to motivate developers to do a proper 64-bit build.

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                • #23
                  Also, here's an enjoyment tip for readers: when reading that LKML post and the thread that Gusar linked to, don't forget to have this running in the background: http://endlessvideo.com/watch?v=1orMXD_Ijbs

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                    tbh i think windows 7 should've been the last serious 32 bit release - it would help force people to move away from their P4s. as for linux, there hasn't really been a compelling reason to use 32 bit unless you are a p4 (or older) user. the only difference is linux is still pretty good with that older hardware, so ditching support for it would be annoying for such users. however, those users seem to be left in the dust in many ways anyway, mainly due to GPU support associated by the P4's (and older) generation.
                    Uhhh I have an Acer Aspire One 150 with a 32bit (only) Atom processor that is only 3 years old, so it is most definitely NOT P4's or older. 32bit CPU's are still far more relevant than 64bit CPU's.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by NoAsylum View Post
                      32bit CPU's are still far more relevant than 64bit CPU's.
                      I think you overrate the marketshare from the 32bit Only CPUs. And if Windows 9 drop the 32bit Only Support, your CPU doesn't die in the same moment. I bet you has 10-15 years before 32bit really die die in the Microsoft Environment.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
                        It certainly has nothing to do with supporting currently existing software that all of their customers are using.
                        Ancient 32-bit apps run on Windows x64 just fine in most cases, just like most ancient 32-bit apps run on Linux x86_64 just fine (assuming you install the 32-bit userland). The only things that need to be upgraded/replaced are drivers (and the odd program whose authors did something stupid).

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                        • #27
                          that guy was shot down by Al Viro&co pretty much at once - and Phoronix makes a big story out of it.

                          Moronix?
                          Bad Taste?
                          Trolling for Advertisement?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by energyman View Post
                            that guy was shot down by Al Viro&co pretty much at once - and Phoronix makes a big story out of it.

                            Moronix?
                            Bad Taste?
                            Trolling for Advertisement?
                            It came across to me (and was mentioned in the article as): "This made me laugh, it may make you laugh too.", and I thoroughly approve of people making me laugh :-)

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                            • #29
                              Long live LInux 32bit

                              Originally posted by ciplogic View Post
                              In 2006 at the end I've had a Pentium M 1.73 Ghz (Donthan) that offered decent performance for XP, and I've upgraded for Vista. I think that using the same hardware Windows 7 would be the next logical step (to upgrade).
                              Windows 7 works on notebooks and also they are working in lower end machines (mostly on memory specs) where 64 bit brings no advantage, or if is any, please point it out.
                              Windows 8 to be 64 bit only? Why? It uses basically the same specs as Windows 7 or Vista. 32 bit brings in itself some advantages, including that if you target a software package for a 32 bit Windows, you know that it will work with XP. And if you think that most XP users are owners of 32 bit machines, and some of Win7 users are on 32 bit machine too, I see no reason why Microsoft would not want to not support such of a wide user base.
                              At the end I'm thinking that Linux should follow the same path, and not only for tablets: running on more platforms means that they can enjoy the beauty of Linux. Remember Ubuntu PowerPC? Many Mac users were exposed to it: if you don't want to upgrade your Mac every time with 130 dollars (as it was at the time), you will get a newer Unix like experience for just writing it on a CD.
                              At the end, Linux is used a lot in schools, I know they use it in Spain. Why not allow users to upgrade their beloved OS with the newest Ubuntu, Suse or Fedora?
                              I reformat almost every XP system I get, I install Linux, and use the box as a file server, or as a firewall. Thirty-two bit systems also help me to test code that I write. In developing countries, many 386 and 486 boxes get recycled as donations to schools with Linux installed. Should this stop? As the original post author wrote, Schools still make use of this 32bit hardware with Linux installed.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Gusar View Post
                                This doom and gloom of "being left in the dust" and "being forced to upgrade" is just plain ridiculous. It might be true for a few distros, but you're not being forced to use them, there's plenty of other choices, and by that I don't just mean LTS distros like CentOS.
                                Well, I am putting CentOS on a system equipped with a P4 right now, but it was primarily for other reasons.

                                Regardless, most of my hardware is still better off using 32 bit ATM, so I am definitely glad this guy was shot down.

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