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    Phoronix: Nokia's Actions Already Harm Qt 5.0 Release

    With Nokia shutting down their Qt Australia office -- and looking to sell off Qt -- this has already directly harmed the forthcoming Qt 5.0 tool-kit release...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE1Mjg

  • #2
    I LOLed

    Now we can all see the consequences of compromising freedom for 15 years.
    http://i.imgur.com/I6GSf.gif

    A free fork (sans CLA) now!
    Last edited by funkSTAR; 08-02-2012, 02:25 PM.

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    • #3
      Same kind of crap will happen with Mono sooner or later....not that i use it or i'm a big fan of it...quite opposite.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
        Now we can all se the consequences of compromising freedom for 15 years.
        http://i.imgur.com/I6GSf.gif

        A free fork (sans CLA) now!
        Are you a troll? WTF is wrong with you?
        It's LGPL what more do you want, people don't work for free, Qt needs a CLA so they can license a commercial version.
        Even Stallman is fine with this business model and CLAs.

        It's free software whatever you say, the fact that you _can_ fork it shows it is free.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
          Even Stallman is fine with this business model and CLAs.
          Yeah go ask him how he feels about Digia selling non-free add-ons with Nokias blessings. He is not thrilled I tell you baby.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
            Yeah go ask him how he feels about Digia selling non-free add-ons with Nokias blessings. He is not thrilled I tell you baby.
            Nonfree addons? As I understand it this is false. There was some patch delta between qt commercial and mainline, but they have released the sources to try and get it pushed into mainline. Correct me if I am wrong?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
              Nonfree addons? As I understand it this is false. There was some patch delta between qt commercial and mainline, but they have released the sources to try and get it pushed into mainline. Correct me if I am wrong?
              And I looks like I am likely right:

              http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTA0NzI
              Digia is not in any way carrying a delta on purpose. In actuality, what happens during our release cycle and our patch releases is that we work very closely with Nokia on all releases. Digia focuses, naturally, on all desktop and embedded bugs and additional features while Nokia focuses only on Symbian and mobile-related features. For the LGPL version, it is Nokia that decides what fixes/patches go into the LGPL version, and naturally, they choose bugs/fixes that are for Symbian and mobile. They decide to leave out many desktop and embedded big fixes as their target and focus is on mobile and they need to prioritize those. In turn because Digia’s charter is to service desktop and embedded Qt customers, we need to take in the desktop and embedded fixes/patches that Nokia leaves out because they are crucial for our customers. Digia has no control as to what goes into the LGPL at time of release, only what goes into the Commercial version.

              Digia is committed to the Qt community and all the fixes/patches that we work on for desktop and embedded are available for Nokia to take into the main branch. However, it is Nokia to decide what and when they take them in. Digia is in no way looking to fork and in fact are very committed to the Qt Project and will take an extremely active role in the project moving forward.

              I am very open to discussing this further with you and would welcome an interview with myself or with our Director of R&D. We value the Phoronix readers's opinions as the entire OS community.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                Correct me if I am wrong?
                Go read Digias blog. You might also find it interesting how much effort Digia is putting into finding new markets. No love for Linux.

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                • #9
                  A bit harsh..

                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  And I looks like I am likely right:

                  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTA0NzI
                  No actually you are wrong. Thanks anyway. It is nice to clarify Nokias former position; Fuck Qt on the desktop.

                  These days Nokia is a bit more harsh;

                  "Dear all users of Qt, fuck you, fuck phones, fuck desktops and fuck linux. But thanks for all the code you CLAed."

                  With love and lulz, yours truly
                  ELOP

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                    Go read Digias blog. You might also find it interesting how much effort Digia is putting into finding new markets. No love for Linux.
                    Nice change of subject. It is not a reuqirement of free software to support linux (digia seems to support linux fine actually, see below) and you ignored my quote on how the delta was unintentional and out of their control as nokia handles the lgpl release.

                    The second post on their qt blog is about updating the embedded linux toolchain: http://digia.com/en/Blogs/Qt-blog/Sa...ommercial-SDK/

                    So all that you have said about no linux love, nonfree addons is pure bullshit and FUD, while I can prove what I say with sources.
                    I smell a troll.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                      Go read Digias blog. You might also find it interesting how much effort Digia is putting into finding new markets. No love for Linux.
                      You sir are either a troll or an idiot or both.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                        No actually you are wrong. Thanks anyway. It is nice to clarify Nokias former position; Fuck Qt on the desktop.

                        These days Nokia is a bit more harsh;

                        "Dear all users of Qt, fuck you, fuck phones, fuck desktops and fuck linux. But thanks for all the code you CLAed."

                        With love and lulz, yours truly
                        ELOP
                        Erm, I was right. My point was the patch delta was unintentional and out of digia's control. My quote proves it was.
                        Why should Nokia put tons of money into desktop Qt, they only really needed Qt for symbian and meego and now that they do not they are downsizing. There is no point in keeping Qt. With Digia they care about embedded and desktop as well as mobile so more work will go into Qt.

                        Now none of this would happen if Nokia didn't shoot themselves in the foot, I am not denying nokia has gone downhill and Elop is a total loser. That doesn't make Qt non free software.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                          So all that you have said about no linux love, nonfree addons is pure bullshit and FUD, while I can prove what I say with sources.
                          It really is a shame you didnt read one blog further. Here is a piece of some stinking non-LGPL s***.
                          http://www.digia.com/en/Blogs/Qt-blo...inal-Released/

                          Now you are just making your self look bad.

                          And what about the future? Nokia is already ripping stuff out of Qt5. Let me give you a hint. Some similar but closed source add ons might surface from Digia one day. A crippled Qt core for everyone and all the features and fixes from Digia. Really nice future eh?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                            It really is a shame you didnt read one blog further. Here is a piece of some stinking non-LGPL s***.
                            http://www.digia.com/en/Blogs/Qt-blo...inal-Released/

                            Now you are just making your self look bad.

                            And what about the future? Nokia is already ripping stuff out of Qt5. Let me give you a hint. Some similar but closed source add ons might surface from Digia one day. A crippled Qt core for everyone and all the features and fixes from Digia. Really nice future eh?
                            First this is basically what Qwt does. Qwt is not mainline but is LGPL so I don't know of any option of commercially licensing it. Digia is probably giving this so customers can do what Qwt does without having the LGPL.
                            Even so this is not a good sign I admit. (You however can't admit to some of your completely false points).

                            Nokia has not ripped things out. They turned them into addons. They are still there, but because they are understaffed due to the Brisbane Office shutdown they can't have them as essential, they could very well be essential if a company liek ICS buys them out and Qt gets away from Nokia's downward spiral.

                            Here is the thing, if the situation looks like it well ever get as bad as you say guess what. We can fork it. Why? Qt IS free software. It won't just be some poorly maintained Open Source project, Qt has a lot of uses in the industry and has many companies invested in it.

                            Oh, don't forget this: http://www.kde.org/community/whatisk...foundation.php

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                            • #15
                              Digia is sooo cool

                              Originally posted by jayrulez View Post
                              You sir are either a troll or an idiot or both.
                              Yeah sure. Im all that and I will burn in eternal flames. At least im not spearheading Qt into new markets like Digia is doing.

                              How about QNX?
                              http://www.digia.com/en/Blogs/Qt-blo...NX-on-Windows/
                              And just because Digia is so freedom loving it is all done from Windows. talking about going non-free with a style

                              So much for freedom.
                              So much for linux.

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