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  • Firstly, Paradox Uncreated - I'm sorry you can't handle someone critiquing your kernel and plugins. My advice, do better or grow the fuck up. You claim your plugins are the best around and that your kernel (or standard kernel) makes RT obsolete - that is total BULLSHIT, sorry about your luck.

    secondly, I don't own a soundblaster and haven't since the sb16 dayz (ironically, back in the days when people targeted 44100 - which you are still doing 20yrs later...lol) and I tend to purchase proaudio grade hardware NOT consumer grade. ~ you are simply making immature fallacious claims based on nothing but invalid assumptions about me and then using them to create a strawman - that is intellectually dishonest and no doubt just a distraction from the truth - that your kernel and plugins are not as good as you seem to think. - but that's your problem not mine.. and honestly, i am betting a Soundblaster would work better with RT than your kernel, likewise an expensive card also works better with RT. ~ so it matters not how much one is spending on a card / what they are using, Your kernel isn't as good as you claim with real-world usage compared to RT kernels.

    Thirdly,. who said anything about KVR??? i know i didn't. But i can only assume that people over there must have also said negative things about your plugins, otherwise you wouldn't be bringing it up. I've only been to that site a handful of times, so i really don't see how it was relavent (at all). By your own admission your plugins are not professional grade, since they are targeting standards from 20yrs ago (44100), which pretty much no one is using anymore. (and this is by your own admission in your README, that comes with the plugins).

    Fifthly, my ears are fine - your plugins are nothing special, they don't sound better than the aforementioned plugins and UI wize, they are BRUTAL - which apparently KVR users would agree on and so would sourceforge users whom have given your software a rating of 2 stars. They also use way too much CPU at higher sample rates compared to plugins of a similar type (including running VSTs in Wine). You can assert your stuff is the best ever over and over again, but that doesn't mean you're going to convince anyone they are, and it certainly does not reflect reality.

    Sixthly, even your make file is written badly / non-standard. Hard coding -m32 (wtf) and you've laid it out that typing 'make' not only builds the software, but installs it (which i have NEVER seen in any other software in the 10years i have been using linux/unix... so again WTF?). I'm sorry but i don't have any confidence in someone who claims their software is better than anything else on the market, when they can't even get the basic stuff right. Your algo's may be very good - and i am not going to argue that they aren't (not my area of expertise), but as far as using your plugins - i am less than impressed, and obviously others have also thought they weren't nearly as good as you claim. Your plugins are also not very popular - don't you think that if they were really better than everything else, that people would be using them?? (that's rhetorical, btw)

    seventhly, just a tip: you don't need to write 5 replies to one message in the forums - all you are doing is spamming people's inboxes with repeated notifications, when you could have simply put that in a single message ~ which imo would have been more effective.

    anyway, i don't want to get into some big argument over this 'crap'. Bottom line, your plugins are mediocre (ie: not world-class DSP or of better quality than T-racks, Waves or any other 'professional' plugin suite... Your kernel for general desktop usage is probably decent, but there are cases where RT is MUCH better than using any of these 'low-latency' kernels.

    also, it is very disingenuous to be posting 'peace be with you', when clearly you come across as a total egotistical asshole in many of your posts. funny shit nonetheless.

    cheers
    Last edited by ninez; 10-06-2012, 01:14 PM.

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    • There is a lot of fuckwits online. Gaymer2k and ninez probably getting married soon. Imagine conjuring up all that junk, and defending it like it`s something real. I am just happy I don`t live in such a gutter of mentality. I never did that even when I was 10.

      Ninez he is going to do this probably for some time. So beware, it`s all feeble idiocy.

      It is strange. Idiot humans do more damage than cows. They are just grazing after all.

      Peace Be With You.

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      • So get the plugs, windows versions are more develped ATM, since most matrix/pianoroll-sequencers on linux, are quite obscure.

        And these people and their ecnomony can be killed, and sign up as cottagewhores, where their "skill" can be applied, and only remains.

        Peace Be With You.

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        • You and waves and KvR economy is dead. And I am gonna take real pleasure in stamping it further into the ground. They never did NOTHING sensible of DSP. At best cookbok-dsp. They could never understand an algorithm and do something optimal.

          You gotta cry. Imagine Britney Spears made you all that money.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

          Peace Be With You.

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          • Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
            There is a lot of fuckwits online. Gaymer2k and ninez probably getting married soon. Imagine conjuring up all that junk, and defending it like it`s something real. I am just happy I don`t live in such a gutter of mentality. I never did that even when I was 10.
            Except you are acting like a 10year old with comments like the one above, and that is a FACT. you are childish as one can be. :\

            Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
            Ninez he is going to do this probably for some time. So beware, it`s all feeble idiocy.
            except that apparently you can't read;

            Originally posted by ninez
            anyway, i don't want to get into some big argument over this 'crap'. Bottom line, your plugins are mediocre (ie: not world-class DSP or of better quality than T-racks, Waves or any other 'professional' plugin suite... Your kernel for general desktop usage is probably decent, but there are cases where RT is MUCH better than using any of these 'low-latency' kernels.
            Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
            It is strange. Idiot humans do more damage than cows. They are just grazing after all.
            damage to what, your ego?! (that's about it). These kinds of responses are exactly what one would except from someone as immature as yourself. You haven't made a single valid point here, you are basically just trolling and insulting people - pretty weak shit my friend!

            Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
            So get the plugs, windows versions are more develped ATM, since most matrix/pianoroll-sequencers on linux, are quite obscure.
            pianoroll-sequencers are 'the norm' on linux. Where do you even get this crap?

            RoseGarden, Ardour(3), seq24, Qtractor, Muse, LLMS, etc ... ALL have piano-roll. ie: it is VERY common for linux DAWs to have this stuff. Obscure? ya, right.... What are you going to claim next, that it is 'obscure' for Proaudio users to be using samplerates higher than 44100.

            what year do you live in 1993?

            anyway, you obviously have nothing intelligent to say and just resort to insults and trolling - but don't worry, it still doesn't change any bit of what i mentioned. but feel free to continue to be an immature egotistical little moron (since that is the only conclusion one can come to about you, after reading your last bunch of posts.

            take care and bye.

            EDIT: again, when did i mention KVR audio? - and why should i care about 'their economy'. (hint: i don't). Just because you think your plugins are the best, that doesn't mean that they are. Just because they are OSS that does not make them great - contrary to your own belief.

            sorry but no dice.
            Last edited by ninez; 10-06-2012, 01:44 PM.

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            • I am just happy to see you have an intellectual level below cattle. Stating completely stupid things. That is the only real enemy. An idiot.

              Peace Be With You.

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              • Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
                I am just happy to see you have an intellectual level below cattle. Stating completely stupid things. That is the only real enemy. An idiot.
                more insults, trolling, no content. ~ way to defend your position, champ.

                i must be one smart cow if i am able to type with my hooves and use a computer

                and if you are going to claim i am saying 'completely stupid things' - you should back that up - which you have not. Instead, just more insults because in reality, deep deep down - you know you have no good argument. You know your plugins aren't as great as you claim they are, which is why you end up just being an asshole.

                i'm sorry you can't deal with critique but this conversation is over, since you are to immature to actually have a conversation.

                grow the fuck up.

                last comment on this topic from me - so if you feel the need to insult me - go right ahead. But i hope you atleast realize that doesn't change anything - your plugins will not improve on insults :\

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                • Originally posted by ninez View Post
                  But even on my system my RT-kernels works better than your 'low-latency' 3.5.4 kernel. ie: i get zero xruns with 3.4-rt ~ while with your kernel i got dozens of xruns. Under heavy CPU load your low-latency kernel doesn't meet it's deadlines, where as RT does. The situation is made even worse, ie: even more xruns (using generic or your low-latency kernel) if i happen to be doing a lot of compilation + running a VM or openGL apps while running Jack + applications/clients. This isn't a problem at all using RT.
                  Upload a valid video proof perhaps?

                  I know artists become quite aggressive at times, especially when someone criticizes their work... But Paradox, really, if you would replace "f**ck" with "flower" or something it would be way better. Because from this corner of arena it looks like you're mixing your point of view and your knowledge with lots of horsesh*t and serve this to people. You don't have to agree, but bad wording simply damages your communications a lot.

                  Nice remix btw..! Ninez you got anything to compare?

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                  • Actually I said BELOW cattle. Calling you cattle would be an insult to cattle. And that goes to the last poster. Why don`t you go and use windowns.

                    Yeah you go with your feeble alternative plugins, and idiot argumentation, and the rest of the civilized world, can just have a listen to the link I posted, and understand that you talk in the favour of those clowns.

                    And btw, when I talk about network latency, it isn`t because I think I can fit a audiocard into the network adapter. It is because they have a driver method, one might learn from, in the audio stack.

                    This is just far too high above your level I guess, so find yourself a cottage now, and do your thing. I am sure you will find that helpful, get back there, do more stupid comments, and repeat, and call it gay love, and work for gay rights. I mean even martians in human body, deserve rights.

                    Peace Be With You.

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                    • Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
                      Actually I said BELOW cattle. Calling you cattle would be an insult to cattle.
                      ...
                      Peace Be With You.
                      I lol'ed.

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                      • Btw, in addition to comparing my master on KvR mastering challenge, you can also listen to my latest release: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWLUSwac0kc&feature=plcp

                        This sounds better than any contemporary release. Play it loud, and compare. Well if you have anything other than shitty soundcard + tiny speakers. Obviously if that is what you have, you wouldn`t tell the difference between this and this. Which you know, has its charm. But you know, one would like to think hi-fi developments since matter. Btw lots of tube and 1950s compressors are used there.

                        Peace Be With You.

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                        • Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                          Upload a valid video proof perhaps?
                          ya, i can probably do that - but not today. It's Thanksgiving here in Canada this weekend and i am heading out of town very shortly ( i actually wish I caught this message an hour or two ago). I probably won't be in front of my desktop for a few of days, just got my laptop with me and I'm not compiling kernels, making videos, etc while visiting family. When i get back though i will try to put a video and/or some other kind of data together ~ i just have to be quick about it, as i am flying to the west coast (USA) later that week.

                          Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                          I know artists become quite aggressive at times, especially when someone criticizes their work... But Paradox, really, if you would replace "f**ck" with "flower" or something it would be way better. Because from this corner of arena it looks like you're mixing your point of view and your knowledge with lots of horsesh*t and serve this to people. You don't have to agree, but bad wording simply damages your communications a lot.
                          it also damages any likelihood of taking him seriously. Although, i am not sure i would take someone more seriously when they are throwing 'flower' randomly in their sentences (LOL), it might just be confusing

                          Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                          Nice remix btw..! Ninez you got anything to compare?
                          I'm mostly a live-musician - ie: i don't write techno (nor do i even really like it). So nothing 'comparable' in that way. I personally prefer music that is played by human beings (even if using electronic sounds, which is something that i do in the band i play in, on top of singing, guitar, piano, etc).

                          his mix is definitely nice, but unfortunately that kind of music doesn't resonate with me at all. One doesn't even need to know how to play a single instrument to write stuff like that - BUT! to each their own and i *respect* the work involved in composing electronic music - it just for me (personally) it just doesn't have any soul and the music sounds dead - no life to it whatsoever (note: i am referring to eurotrash stuff like PU's tunes)... - i realize people may disagree on that, which is fine, as we are all entitled to our preferences - I just don't have much respect for DJs / electronic musicians UNLESS they are doing something a little less bland and unpredictable. Aphex Twin is a good example of electronic music that i don't mind, being as it's actually somewhat technical - same goes for IDM (in general). Generally speaking, I would rather watch a 4th year piano player stumble through a piece of music than listen to generic eurotrash sounding (four to the floor) techno.

                          anyway, when i am back in town/at home - i'll put together a video.

                          cheerz

                          Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
                          Actually I said BELOW cattle. Calling you cattle would be an insult to cattle. And that goes to the last poster. Why don`t you go and use windowns.
                          LOL. funny shit.

                          Your music sounds like it was written by a creature with intelligence below that of a cow You should just rename every track "generic eurotrash techno" + track number because that is what it is... it has got to be the most uninspired boring music i have heard in a VERY long time! - the production is decent though, i'll give you that.

                          Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
                          Yeah you go with your feeble alternative plugins, and idiot argumentation, and the rest of the civilized world, can just have a listen to the link I posted, and understand that you talk in the favour of those clowns.
                          except you are making a huge jump in your logic here. I am not 'for these companies' - i just pointed out that your plugins seem quite inferior to them and that you couldn't even get some basic shit right - like decent UI or being able to write a make file properly. Your plugins don't sound that great, they are optimized for a 90's sort of PC audio standard (44.1khz), they consume WAY more CPU @ higher sample rates than similar plugins, native linux plugins or even via wine - and yet you claim they are the BEST out there, sorry no dice. - those aren't idiotic arguments - they don't sound as good, are optimized for sample rates that are generally not used, their UI sucks, they use HIGH CPU for what they do, etc - those are ALL valid reasons to justify saying your plugins aren't world-class and NOT better than a great many alternatives...

                          Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
                          And btw, when I talk about network latency, it isn`t because I think I can fit a audiocard into the network adapter. It is because they have a driver method, one might learn from, in the audio stack.
                          I don't disagree here, but i have to wonder why do you say 'fit an audiocard into the network adapter' (?) - that doesn't even make sense in english - and you have the nerve to call other people stupid, when you can't even construct a simple sentence. but yes, of course there could be something to learn there (from other stacks), on that we are in agreement. I only pointed out that Intel's work there is aimed at networking, that is it.

                          Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
                          This is just far too high above your level I guess, so find yourself a cottage now, and do your thing. I am sure you will find that helpful, get back there, do more stupid comments, and repeat, and call it gay love, and work for gay rights. I mean even martians in human body, deserve rights.
                          non-sensical moronic statement above - and you claim my intelligence is below cattle. LOL.

                          as far as gay love is concerned, you would know better than I about that - after all your mixes are exactly the type of crap that they would be playing at a gay night club, *if* they had just a little more originality to them and were slightly more danceable / funky.
                          Last edited by ninez; 10-06-2012, 04:50 PM.

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                          • I think you both have had far too much dick up your ass to comprehend sense, or recognize decency and excellece. To the cottage you go!

                            Peace Be With You.
                            Last edited by Paradox Uncreated; 10-06-2012, 04:52 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by Paradox Uncreated View Post
                              I think you both have had far too much dick up your ass to comprehend sense, or recognize deceny and excellece. To the cottage you go!
                              Your music is MAYBE decent (according to some people), but excellent?!?? FUCK NO. it's beyond generic and boring - it reminds me of the demo scene of the 80s and 90s (in the tracker world) - except some of those folks were actually making far more interesting music, using far less than we have access to today.

                              again, i would rather listen to a fourth year piano player stumble through a piece of music (on a slightly out of tune piano) than listen to your crap.

                              and why you are being insulting towards Crazycheese is beyond me - when he only commented on some of your choice in words and (he) actually liked one of your mixes....you are retarded!

                              and why all the gay references??? let me guess, your religious, but actually in the closet - very gay? - very likely, i'd say.

                              but unlike you, i could actually care less what people's sexuality is - so it's not really that insulting to call me gay (even though i have a wife and 2 kids). it doesn't bother me at all - and just shows how immature you really are.

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                              • What was that? Four year old play piano?

                                One more time! And I can start my script here, that automatically generates insults.
                                And you`ll sit there posting, thinking you will win next.

                                And that thing about four year old play piano, that you gotta say again.

                                Heres the first

                                "You're just a grisly person. I dislike you." (Ps: you can just copy/paste from here http://www.insultgenerator.org/ )

                                Peace Be With You.

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