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  • #31
    Originally posted by 0xBADCODE View Post
    Sure, formally you're right. Yet it's easy to guess these are probably just some M$ proxies.
    You know why you get dismissed as a paranoid conspiracy theorist?

    Because you're a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

    Demonstrate how Microsoft have any control at all over Charles River Ventures, FLOODGATE, or Ignition Partners.

    Oh, I see, some of Ignition Partners are ex-Microsoft, which is a secret front. Is that it?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by 0xBADCODE View Post
      So you see, all best mobile games are usually OpenGL based. In fact many serios game engines (including commercial high-profile things) are supporting OpenGL rendering backend these days.
      You're right. Hence MonoGame uses OpenGL as the back-end on non-Windows platforms.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by lapis View Post
        Xamarin : promoting MS .NET .
        I think their investors would be pretty pissed if they spent their $12M on promoting Microsoft.NET. I think the idea is to promote MonoTouch and Mono for Android.

        Mono is not an alternative to MS.NET .Mono is to push a MS standard to another platforms.
        And apparently enough people want that to warrant $12M in funding to extend the developer pool past the current 150k.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by directhex View Post
          Other than making the numbers harder to read, what exactly have you achieved? You certainly haven't disputed my point.
          I wasn't disputing your point, I was disputing Nielsen's extremely poor way of representing percentages which you linked to.

          Originally posted by directhex View Post
          Sure. But you'd be missing the point of the article (and of the $12M in investor funding).
          Was the article about .NET vs Mono on mobile?

          As for my comment it was obviously that neither Mono nor .NET are the platform(s) that matters on mobile.

          Now I have nothing against Mono although I personally have no love for either the C# language or the .NET framework. As I see it MonoTouch, Mono for Android and IOS etc mainly offer XBLA refugees a way to use their existing knowledge (and hopefully some of their existing code) to target the much more attractive markets of IOS and Android so obviously it serves a purpose. Wether or not it will actually emerge to be the 'platform that matters' on mobile remains to be seen.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by uid313 View Post
            Can we see Windows Communication Foundation (WCF), Workflow (WF), Windows Presentation Framework (WPF), Entity Framework (EF) now?

            Then maybe we can have full support for ASP.NET.
            so much this. Not because of ASP.NET but because WindowsForms is so outdated. WPF is such a nice framework that is easy to learn/understand and it's much easier to design GUIs with that XAML code instead of having to place everything on the form.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by XorEaxEax View Post
              Was the article about .NET vs Mono on mobile?
              Yes. Although Larabel might not have realised it.

              As for my comment it was obviously that neither Mono nor .NET are the platform(s) that matters on mobile.
              Except for the #1 most popular game engine on any mobile platform being Mono-based, right?

              Wether or not it will actually emerge to be the 'platform that matters' on mobile remains to be seen.
              And how would that determination be made? What're your metrics?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Detructor View Post
                so much this. Not because of ASP.NET but because WindowsForms is so outdated. WPF is such a nice framework that is easy to learn/understand and it's much easier to design GUIs with that XAML code instead of having to place everything on the form.
                What's wrong with GTK#?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by directhex View Post
                  Yes. Although Larabel might not have realised it.
                  Ehh, Mono's current efforts aren't targeting the enterprise, they're creating a framework for developing mobile games/applications. Microsoft could likely not care any less.

                  Originally posted by directhex View Post
                  Except for the most popular game engine on any mobile platform[/url] being Mono-based, right?
                  Unity uses Mono to support scripting, which includes UnityScript, Boo or C#, Unity itself (runtime) is not written in C#, it's native and IIRC it's written in C++. How is that 'based on Mono'? By the way, do you know if the Mono devs get even a penny out of Unity's use of it as a scripting engine?

                  Originally posted by directhex View Post
                  And how would that determination be made? What're your metrics?
                  By it becoming the dominant development platform on mobile.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by directhex View Post
                    Original article says they're receiving 12 million dollars in funding, and have 150,000 developers using their products, of which 7,500 are paying customers.



                    It's as if your brain is actually incapable of processing external stimuli
                    What are they working on? Mobile market, perhaps? I only care about Linux desktop.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by lapis View Post
                      Xamarin : promoting MS .NET .

                      Mono is not an alternative to MS.NET .Mono is to push a MS standard to another platforms.
                      That's true, of course. They're pushing so hard, because they want to kill Qt which is much more developers and non Windows platforms friendly. That's also why they acquired Nokia.
                      Last edited by kraftman; 07-25-2012, 04:18 AM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by XorEaxEax View Post
                        Ehh, Mono's current efforts aren't targeting the enterprise, they're creating a framework for developing mobile games/applications. Microsoft could likely not care any less.
                        PC sales are declining, in the tens of millions. Smartphone sales are still skyrocketing, in the hundreds of millions (and into the billions very soon). There's a reason Microsoft are sinking so much money into trying to be relevant on mobile.

                        Unity uses Mono to support scripting, which includes UnityScript, Boo or C#, Unity itself (runtime) is not written in C#, it's native and IIRC it's written in C++. How is that 'based on Mono'? By the way, do you know if the Mono devs get even a penny out of Unity's use of it as a scripting engine?
                        It's not a lot of use without any scripting support. And no, I'm not privy to the details of any financial arrangements between Unity Technologies and Xamarin

                        By it becoming the dominant development platform on mobile.
                        Anything less than majority is irrelevant?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                          What are they working on? Mobile market, perhaps? I only care about Linux desktop.
                          And whilst that's all I care about, it's not what these investors care about - and not what this $12M investment is for.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by directhex View Post
                            PC sales are declining, in the tens of millions. Smartphone sales are still skyrocketing, in the hundreds of millions (and into the billions very soon). There's a reason Microsoft are sinking so much money into trying to be relevant on mobile.
                            Thanks for confirming mono is just MS and MS sponsored products. This is the reason why it has to die.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by directhex View Post
                              And whilst that's all I care about, it's not what these investors care about - and not what this $12M investment is for.
                              I meant if they care about mono on Linux they should hire developers to make Linux applications. If they don't care about it they should stop their stupid marketing propaganda.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                                Thanks for confirming mono is just MS and MS sponsored products. This is the reason why it has to die.
                                Er, what?

                                Are you stupid?

                                Ever heard of Windows Phone 7?

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