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    Phoronix: Qt 5.0 Beta Likely Coming In Early August

    After facing some delays, the Qt 5.0 Beta will likely be published in early August...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE0NTM

  • #2
    So what?

    The Qt ecosystem now with even less focus on:

    Software freedom
    Linux
    Desktop

    Yeahyeah we all know by now that Nokia is a raving mad house and Digia is offering nothing but "added value" and benefits to commercial clients.

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    • #3
      What is the target of your rage???

      Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
      The Qt ecosystem now with even less focus on:

      Software freedom
      Linux
      Desktop

      Yeahyeah we all know by now that Nokia is a raving mad house and Digia is offering nothing but "added value" and benefits to commercial clients.
      Because SOMEHOW they will magically revoke the LGPL???

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      • #4
        Originally posted by frantaylor View Post
        Because SOMEHOW they will magically revoke the LGPL???
        Haha either that or somebody doesn't understand how the open source community works

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        • #5
          Wayland

          It will have Wayland support?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by uid313 View Post
            It will have Wayland support?
            I am pretty sure that Qt 5 is supposed to support wayland. (Lighthouse is a big part of Qt 5)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
              The Qt ecosystem now with even less focus on:

              Software freedom
              Linux
              Desktop

              Yeahyeah we all know by now that Nokia is a raving mad house and Digia is offering nothing but "added value" and benefits to commercial clients.
              This is going to be the most open release of Qt ever released (especially since Qt is supposed to be community maintained now). I don't understand your anger at Digia. Their "added value" is just maintaining and backporting a few new features for the older commerical versions (opensourse apps will just switch to a newer version of Qt anyway). Which means Qt makes money for Digia, who in turn help fund the project. Plus, Qt 5.1 will ship with more desktop components for QML.

              No idea what is going on Nokia-land right now but with Digia maintaing older Qt releases for commerical partners, who cares...

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              • #8
                So Wayland, Weston, X, Qt all seem to be in a position where they can be cobbled together to create the next generation video stack even if not feature complete or stable. What is still missing?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                  Phoronix: Qt 5.0 Beta Likely Coming In Early August

                  After facing some delays, the Qt 5.0 Beta will likely be published in early August...

                  http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE0NTM
                  Does anyone know how to find out the percentage of commits done by purely community (non-paid) members?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mystro256 View Post
                    Haha either that or somebody doesn't understand how the open source community works
                    Please grant me a copy of Qt Commercial Charts licensed under LGPL. Im looking forward to this immense justification of your claims.

                    Off course the opposite applies as well: No LGPL implies Digia is screwing open source and you are screwing the phoronix forums by using false claims.

                    BTW here is a hint for you.
                    http://www.digia.com/en/Blogs/Qt-blo...inal-Released/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                      Please grant me a copy of Qt Commercial Charts licensed under LGPL. Im looking forward to this immense justification of your claims.

                      Off course the opposite applies as well: No LGPL implies Digia is screwing open source and you are screwing the phoronix forums by using false claims.

                      BTW here is a hint for you.
                      http://www.digia.com/en/Blogs/Qt-blo...inal-Released/
                      your point?? that link is just an commercial add on that happens to use QT!!! and check calligra they have some nice chart coding done too (is kde/Qt API), digia can do whatever the hell they want with their propietary licensed version of QT what they can't do is hide/remove/delete/prohibit/etc the use of the LGPL one that is hosted in qt-project.org. So they responsability and (best of interest) is to keep the core libraries synced but no one really care if they keep some fancy or unused(by the OSS side) features alive between releases to please propietary apps that need more time to migrate their apps, so i wouldn't care if they keep qtquick 1.0 (for example) alive in qt5 commercial version.

                      so is not like there is 1 version of QT in fact is 2 one maintained by nokia/community/digia in qt-project.org and another private in digia wich they sync back from qt-project.org, so in the worst case scenario we don't even have to fork since they can't touch qt-project.org so don't worry

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                      • #12
                        Thank you

                        Thank you for proving my point; The Qt ecosystem is indeed infected by non free components. In fact Digia is basing their business on being non free. And anyone signing the CLA is contributing to this.

                        But I guess thats fine by most Qt contributors anyway. They are assigning all your rights to Mr Elop and smiling at the same time. They looove him

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                          Thank you for proving my point; The Qt ecosystem is indeed infected by non free components. In fact Digia is basing their business on being non free. And anyone signing the CLA is contributing to this.

                          But I guess thats fine by most Qt contributors anyway. They are assigning all your rights to Mr Elop and smiling at the same time. They looove him
                          i can't tell if you are trolling or .... but ok lets make it more clear

                          QT4/5 LGPL: used by KDE, linux distros, windows & mac(LGPL version), symbian, and other ports are not on Digia and i mean not in their servers not in their office not in their tablets not under their control this QT4/5 are hosted openly in Gitoriuos and qt-project.org and the contributors are mainly QT enthusiast, Nokia, KDE developers and some Digia guys.

                          QT4/5 Commercial: hosted/compiled/supported by digia is externally at gitorious and qt-project.org, so they basically sync their git repo with the open one in gitorious every once in a while and any change done to the LGPL code must be synced back to gitorious as LGPL dictates, they only buyed from nokia an alternate license that allows digia clients to use QT as closed source but Digia must sync back their changes just not their clients[digia customers are free to contribute directly the open git repo directly though] but neither the community/nokia/[fit here] forbid digia to make commercial apps based on QT, aka like any company their are free to code whatever the hell app they want using QT what they can't[or should not] do is break the ABI or refuse to sync back changes to the main[LGPL] tree of the core libraries.

                          even easier QT4/5 is the framework base code [where nokia/digia/community work togheter and all is synced back, after all is idiotic have a framework where everyone has a different ABI/API cuz is just stop being a framework] and for example those charts is an external absolutely unrelated/uncovered/private product based on the Qt framework hence digia has 0 need to open source it cuz is not/was not/never was/never will be part of the Qt framework.clear enough??

                          is like demand ktorrent and varicad to sync their code back to gitorious because both used Qt framework LOL or demand Adobe to open source their Adobe Reader X cuz they use the Gtk libraries, get the concept?? now if Adobe modify the gtk libraries they have to opensource those changes back to the gtk project wich is an entirely different matter and a lawyer would explain it better [bitter IANAL licence flame wars could hijack the thread]

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
                            your point?? that link is just an commercial add on that happens to use QT!!! and check calligra they have some nice chart coding done too (is kde/Qt API), digia can do whatever the hell they want with their propietary licensed version of QT what they can't do is hide/remove/delete/prohibit/etc the use of the LGPL one that is hosted in qt-project.org. So they responsability and (best of interest) is to keep the core libraries synced but no one really care if they keep some fancy or unused(by the OSS side) features alive between releases to please propietary apps that need more time to migrate their apps, so i wouldn't care if they keep qtquick 1.0 (for example) alive in qt5 commercial version.

                            so is not like there is 1 version of QT in fact is 2 one maintained by nokia/community/digia in qt-project.org and another private in digia wich they sync back from qt-project.org, so in the worst case scenario we don't even have to fork since they can't touch qt-project.org so don't worry

                            The worry I would have if I were a KDE user/dev would be the possibility that digia/nokia stops releasing further updates to Qt under a oss license. Now, it might not matter a great deal if a significant number of commits to Qt were coming from the community, but II don't know if that's the case since no one responded to my previous question.
                            Maintaining and furthering a toolkit, and especially one as complicated as Qt, is a massive job.
                            Last edited by liam; 07-25-2012, 07:28 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by liam View Post
                              The worry I would have if I were a KDE user/dev would be the possibility that digia/nokia stops releasing further updates to Qt under a oss license. Now, it might not matter a great deal if a significant number of commits to Qt were coming from the community, but II don't know if that's the case since no one responded to my previous question.
                              Maintaining and furthering a toolkit, and especially one as complicated as Qt, is a massive job.
                              Maintaining Qt wouldn't be particularly more work than maintaining glib, which the Gnome community seems to have no trouble doing. The fact that nokia funds development for Qt is really just icing on the cake.

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