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  • #46
    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
    People have switched to Chrome by the masses, and the Firefox OS doesn't serve any real purpose. Without TB, Mozilla doesn't have anything left. They're throwing out the only thing that's actually still useful. How smart of them.
    TB's popularity is nowhere near Firefox's, that's crazy talk.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by deanjo View Post
      Internet message access protocol (IMAP).
      Still few IMAP-clients (and servers as well) supports setting up server-side filters, so you may have to mirror your filtering rules on every computer you connect from.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by cruiseoveride View Post
        I don't think I'll ever use webmail. Not until I'm provided a way to backup my email onto hard drive and restore whenever I want.
        That's exactly why, though I use webmail on a daily basis, I regularly open Thunderbird to back everything up using IMAP. The best of both worlds.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by jhansonxi View Post
          That's because you are using Adblock to hide the really huge advertisement in the top post.
          You're wrong.

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          • #50
            I am a Thunderbird community contributor. I can confirm that TB is not dead. Mozilla is only going to reshuffle the release cycle again and reorganize the paid stuff working on TB.

            For those that are happy with current TB features: you will continue to use TB as always and there will be periodic stability/security releases as usual.

            For those that want new features: paid mozilla stuff will work a bit less on new features, but they are now more open to new features contributed from the community. AND there are already some big features done, that are not fully exposed, like maildir-like message store (instead of mbox), sending of big attachments via file-storage services, Instant messaging integration, Australis theme changes, etc. You can expect that in stable releases soon.

            And even if the community will not be able to produce big new features, it can at least do bugfixing and nice polishing. Many people welcome this as they are only bothered by the regressions big features bring with them.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Veerappan View Post
              This is definitely unfortunate. I use TB on my work machine in Ubuntu on a daily basis, and I wouldn't like to go back to Evolution... It's more than I need.

              On my personal machines, Thunderbird is perfect. I have one email client that works the same in Windows 7, MacOS, and Linux (Mint+Ubuntu). They all get their email through IMAP, contacts through Zindus (gmail contacts), and calendars through WebDAV. No matter which of my machines I am on, I have the same contents and user experience... I'd hate to lose that.

              I am with you, 100%.
              Also using it on several diff. OS machines.

              Really bad news!

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Xake View Post
                Still few IMAP-clients (and servers as well) supports setting up server-side filters, so you may have to mirror your filtering rules on every computer you connect from.
                Preferences (including filters) are easily carried over from client to client especially with T-bird.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by asdx
                  Why not fork Thunderbird already?
                  Why? They want the community to develop it further, so what would be the point in forking it, so that the community develops it further?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by asdx
                    Well, if they don't care about Thunderbird, why develop it under Mozilla? Why not move the project to another group of developers that care about the project?
                    There is already a group of developers that cares about the project. Thunderbird is not only developed by Mozilla staff, but also by community developers. I don't understand which advantages a fork would have instead of just developing it further without the Mozilla developers.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by asdx
                      Well, if they don't care about Thunderbird, why develop it under Mozilla? Why not move the project to another group of developers that care about the project?
                      Where is this mythical group of developers that care about Thunderbird more than the existing ones do?

                      If they were happy committing to Thunderbird before, I don't see why they wouldn't continue. And i doubt that there will suddenly be an influx of fresh blood that wants to move it for some reason.

                      If anything, Mozilla has stated that this move makes them more open to outside contributions than they were before - making it more friendly for 3rd party devs and less likely they would need to fork it.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by MonkeyPaw View Post
                        Spooning leads to forkin'!
                        Thanks, dude. I was just taking a sip of gin and tonic when I read that. Now I have to buy a new keyboard! ;D

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                        • #57
                          As has already been mentioned, this is a GOOD THING.
                          If it is community driven and supported, it means that it will be built to match community's NEEDS, not mozilla's needs and what they only BELIEVE to be their customers' needs.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by cruiseoveride View Post
                            I don't think I'll ever use webmail. Not until I'm provided a way to backup my email onto hard drive and restore whenever I want.
                            then may i suggest gmvault gmail backup utility for linux? it's what i use to back up my gmail account, after i use an SMS backup utility(SMS Backup+) to backup my text messages and call logs from my android phone to my gmail account.

                            it's CLI driven but quite easy to use. i'm sure if someone were so inclined they could whip up a GUI in Visual Basic to track it's IP add....err...i mean whip up a graphical frontend for it with a minimum of hassle.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by asdx
                              I wasn't assuming or saying there's a mythical group of developers, or whatever you want to call it. I was saying that perhaps if Mozilla doesn't longer care about the project, the current developers should fork the project and start with a new project (under a different name) with the same code base, and keep the project moving forward. As a community project, similar to what the LibreOffice guys are doing.
                              The thing is that the current developers can continue to move the project forward even without Mozilla's help, because Mozilla plans to hand over control of the project to those developers.

                              The difference with LibreOffice is that Oracle was making it very difficult to contribute to OpenOffice.org. Mozilla, on the other hand, is trying to make it easier to contribute to Thunderbird.

                              You seem to think the options for the developers are:
                              1. Let the project die
                              2. Fork it and keep it alive

                              In reality, the options are:
                              1. Have the community take control of the project under the same name with infrastructure support from mozilla
                              2. Have the community take control of the project under a different name without infrastructure support from mozilla

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by asdx
                                I wasn't assuming or saying there's a mythical group of developers, or whatever you want to call it. I was saying that perhaps if Mozilla doesn't longer care about the project, the current developers should fork the project and start with a new project (under a different name) with the same code base, and keep the project moving forward. As a community project, similar to what the LibreOffice guys are doing.

                                The same thing that happened with Netscape and Firefox or LibreOffice, but this time with Thunderbird.

                                Mozilla is obviously no longer interested in Thunderbird, so why not develop it independently?
                                I guess my point is, the question should be "why fork it", not "why not fork it"?

                                Forking a project and setting up all the necessary infrastructure will require a lot of time and work for someone. It shouldn't be done unless there is actually a reason to do so.

                                Possible reasons would be:

                                1. Mozilla is actively blocking contributions and making it tough for outsiders to contribute or is forcing development in a different direction from what the community wants - AFAIK this is not true. It is why the LibreOffice fork happened, and is generally the most common reason for forks.

                                2. Mozilla is simply not interested in continuing to host the infrastructure. Again, AFAIK this isn't true, and they are happy to continue hosting. This is why Firefox was forked from Netscape (among other reasons)

                                3. To "punish" Mozilla somehow for ending some of their paid work into the project - I think this is misguided, but it sounds to me like this is the reason you want a fork. I could be wrong, though.

                                4. Some other reason. I'm sure there are others, and I'm genuinely interested to hear if you have another reason you think a fork should happen.

                                I just think it's non-productive to call for a fork when one isn't necessary. I don't think anyone actually developing on Thunderbird is calling for a fork, and that's where any movement should come from, not anonymous people commenting on news articles.

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