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  • #46
    Originally posted by nightmarex View Post
    I don't really like the idea of wine having a default I guess.
    My understanding was that wine enumerated the available APIs on first-run, and had some order of preference...

    Pulse >= version X
    Alsa
    Pulse < version X
    OSS
    esd
    arts
    etc
    etc

    While I may be totally and absolutely wrong about this, the sentiment is that the term "default" may be a bit of a misnomer. The user is free to use winecfg if they have a preference.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by russofris View Post
      I haven't really been a fan of Miguel de Icaza's work since Rage Against the Machine broke up.
      What does Miguel de Icaza have to do with this thread?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Delgarde View Post
        What does Miguel de Icaza have to do with this thread?
        I've been told that explaining a joke makes it less funny. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience that this may have caused.

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        • #49
          Hmm. The article discusses competing versions of a wine pulseaudio driver. It doesn't discuss whether wine will have a pulse driver (it does) or whether you like pulseaudio. Try to stay on topic (I know that's difficult).

          Anyway, here's a link to the correctly threaded version of wine-devel (although no one's responded to Martin's comment yet): http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine...ead.html#95955

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Serafean View Post
            pulseaudio : a fix for a problem that didn't exist. (not completely true, but a wrong fix anyhow : fixing something by adding a layer of complexity is plain wrong)
            I hate pulseAudio, for me it caused nothing but trouble (HTPC, desktop and laptop). Using pure ALSA hasn't yet let me down. The craziness it allows me to do is everything anyone can ask for (I even used it to stream audio of a movei to a different PC). Yes it takes a day of digging through docs/tutorials, but it IS possible.
            Also when using pulse on a relatively good sound system, I got the feeling that it somehow distorted the sound; I'll have to do an analysis at some point...
            And don't get me started on digital passthrough.

            rant off...

            Serafean
            I haven't notice pulse audio since years,except when i have to deal with wine installations.

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            • #51
              Meh. Pulseaudio sucks. It's the first thing I remove when I do a fresh install.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by halo9en View Post
                Meh. Pulseaudio sucks. It's the first thing I remove when I do a fresh install.
                How do you know it sucks then?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by nightmarex View Post
                  I would agree with you unnecessary CPU consumption was PA's only problem. My system is modern, I don't use it. Not saying other shouldn't just saying you're off on your statement. With that being said, I do think wine should be able to handle it if nothing else. I don't really like the idea of wine having a default I guess.
                  Once again, pulse-damon.conf. It has loads and loads of settings to micromanage how much CPU it uses. It's set to be high priority by default (so that audio isn't interrupted), and you can change that very easily.

                  It seems that the main problems that people have with PA are that a) it was released earlier than it was ready (integrated properly) and so people still remember it in that broken state, even if it's fixed long ago, and b) that nobody cares to read the manual for it...

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                    When my system is under heavy load I notice that if I listen to an mp3 it starts stuttering or even pausing completely until the hdd usage goes down. Under windows, under heavy load, I don't get that behavior. Who should I be insulting? PulseAudio or something lower level like the driver in the kernel?
                    Your IO scheduler, and maybe your mp3 player app too. For all pulse's faults it doesn't really cause HD contention.

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                    • #55
                      The problem is PulseAudio, IT SUCKS.

                      Fix ALSA, add features and improve it. There's features to be added available in JACK too.

                      Linux needs to improve the low latency audio issues in the kernel.

                      And well, it seems Codeweavers is doing nasty things in the Wine project...

                      Originally posted by ChrisXY View Post
                      How do you know it sucks then?
                      I suposse he suffered it tons of times, and suffering it in new installations too. That happens to me constantly, specially on Ubuntu crap

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by spiral_23 View Post
                        hey guys come down and don't talk like winDOS people. !rolleyes!
                        These babies are Ubuntu people. You can spot them easily even if they don't resort to such bad language.
                        They think that Linux is that thing they've been using a bit and try to argue even if they have no references.

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                        • #57
                          I dont have any problems with pulseaudio. Never had. Only problems were caused by alsa itself.
                          I really miss alsa controls, with pulseaudio, kmix is so empty...
                          Stop blaming pulseaudio, i'm sure that it fixed problems faster than it would have taken with improving alsa.
                          But thats offtopic.

                          (PS. my english can be bad sometimes, sorry)

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by rang501 View Post
                            I really miss alsa controls, with pulseaudio, kmix is so empty...
                            Veromix! Veromix! To be fair, you should never install KMix where PulseAudio is installed, there is no point, only possible conflicts.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                              Veromix! Veromix! To be fair, you should never install KMix where PulseAudio is installed, there is no point, only possible conflicts.
                              Veromix is too unstable. Too many visual glitches (maintaining its size, alignment issues)

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                              • #60
                                Use PulseAudio and you will get loads of stutter

                                Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                                When my system is under heavy load I notice that if I listen to an mp3 it starts stuttering or even pausing completely until the hdd usage goes down. Under windows, under heavy load, I don't get that behavior. Who should I be insulting? PulseAudio or something lower level like the driver in the kernel?
                                That's exactly what I get with that crap PulseAudio. If my system is under heavy load music starts to stutter and even goes off for a second or two or even more. I'm replacing it with OSSv4 which doesn't have that problems but unfortunately it has other shortcomings.

                                Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                                Once again, pulse-damon.conf. It has loads and loads of settings to micromanage how much CPU it uses. It's set to be high priority by default (so that audio isn't interrupted), and you can change that very easily.

                                It seems that the main problems that people have with PA are that a) it was released earlier than it was ready (integrated properly) and so people still remember it in that broken state, even if it's fixed long ago, and b) that nobody cares to read the manual for it...
                                Yeah PulseAudio has the highest possible priority set by default and even than it can't work under heavy load (audio is interrupted all the time). That's one of things why it is pure crap.

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