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    Phoronix: Adobe Issues Final Linux Flash Player Release

    Adobe released the official Flash Player 11.2 for Linux release this week, which will serve as the last major version of their Flash/SWF player on Linux...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTA4MDQ

  • #2
    No. Despite Phoronix's vdpau and nvidia fanboiism it's not a good idea to update to 11.2 on a blob system: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=177380

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    • #3
      What's more, Adobe has officially stated that Flash Player 11.2 will not be supported so filing any bugs against it will be a waste of your time:

      Hi,

      Thank you for your report to Adobe.

      Unfortunately we do not support Fedora Linux anymore post 11.2

      FYI

      http://www.adobe.com/products/flashp...ech-specs.html

      Thanks,

      Yuzhong Cao <xxxxxx@adobe.com>

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      • #4
        Flash is becoming more and more irrelevant. No one is going to miss this crap.

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        • #5
          And nothing of value was lost!

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          • #6
            As Flash on Linux will fall behind it will be at some point where some sites will refuse to play videos on Flash 11.2 as it'll become too old to play content. So before long someone might whip up a wrapper that's much like nspluginwrapper that will allow Google's Flash plugin to load and work in Firefox (you can extract the plugin file from the Chrome install package rather than have to install Chrome)

            Hopefully HTML5 will take over the video playing space though in the next few years so that Flash will become moot

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            • #7
              Pro:
              No more Adobe Swiss Cheese security hole. Less crashes. Less memory-wasting. Less CPU usage wasted.
              Everything feels "cleaner".

              Contra:
              Sadly some sites still make use of Flash, even for critical elements like navigation. There are also some (good) vector animations (David Firth, fat-pie.com) or little games out there that need flash support.
              Problem here is that the free alternatives aren't yet ready. Also, what if some "cool" "hip" "trendy" webdesigners (as seen in the past) are going to push always to the newest version? "this website needs a newer version of flash". Oh thanks a lot.

              So I don't know if to rejoice or to cry.

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              • #8
                We all know there already are better solution for video in place and actually being used. But what about other uses? For example where I find myself using flash again is info graphics. Lets say for things like elections, or major sports event like olympics. There are huge amounts of data to display (and legitimatly of interest), and news outlets and media organizations produce flash where you can click through say election results for your county divided by age group.

                I'm sure that can be done nicely with html5-ish technology, but it's not as easy as the flash video migration where you have youtube as the heavy weight and other content providers would just follow what they do.

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                • #9
                  is unreal engine flash working for anyone on linux ?

                  http://www.unrealengine.com/flash/

                  (windows works fine for me)




                  The only way we'll be able to play unreal games (without wine or tinkering) and this doesnt work... (thanks adobe!)

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                  • #10
                    Flash is not just about playing videos, I really can't understand why some people think this is good riddance. Flash no longer being available on Linux won't stop the sites from using it. The Linux market share is just too small to make a difference and encourage developers to use HTML5.

                    Overall this is a bad day for desktop-linux because Flash is not yet dead, not even close to being dead.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by not.sure View Post
                      I'm sure that can be done nicely with html5-ish technology, but it's not as easy as the flash video migration where you have youtube as the heavy weight and other content providers would just follow what they do.
                      I think the big issue is not new content (the authoring tools/libraries and browser support will shape up sooner or later) but rather the ~15 years of existing SWF content that nobody would convert even if it were easy.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by madjr View Post
                        is unreal engine flash working for anyone on linux ?

                        http://www.unrealengine.com/flash/
                        Not for me with radeon open source. Some grasses and particles are rendered, rest is black.

                        Originally posted by madjr View Post
                        The only way we'll be able to play unreal games (without wine or tinkering) and this doesnt work... (thanks adobe!)
                        Why not use the windows firefox + windows flash in wine? :P

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                        • #13
                          i'm not really sure what the big fuss is. within the past few years, flash hasn't really changed much, and since there is a replacement in sight, i doubt it will continue to advance. so far i've only had to update it once due to broken compatibility with 1 website. keep in mind that tablets and mac products in general are not very flash friendly anymore, so even excluding linux entirely, those platforms will be a pretty large percentage of people who won't use flash. maybe that doesn't apply as of today, but phones and tablets are quickly replacing desktop and laptop PCs.

                          adobe realizes that flash WILL die, and they're already preparing for it. i've heard they're making an html5 editor that is the equivalent of their flash editor. html5 is the replacement whether adobe or really anybody likes it or not - it is inevitable. also, if mozilla or opera software decides to join in on the new api (or w/e it is that chrome uses for flash), then flash WILL still be up-to-date on any platform, including processor architectures that flash currently was never support on. i can sort of understand why mozilla doesn't want to, but opera has nothing to lose if they join in. so that would just leave mozilla looking like a whiny bitch because they don't want to lose their precious obsolete plugin wrapper.

                          as for games, there's plenty of shockwave games out there and shockwave has never been linux compatible. the average flash game is a waste of time to play, and is intended to be a time waster. in the unlikely event that all future flash games become incompatible with linux, i don't think anybody is really going to care.


                          so the bottom line is, flash will be replaced, it'll still work on linux, and even if google ditches updating it, it is unlikely that any future website will stop working due to compatibility problems.

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                          • #14
                            I'm a bit concerned about this...

                            Originally posted by not.sure View Post
                            No. Despite Phoronix's vdpau and nvidia fanboiism it's not a good idea to update to 11.2 on a blob system: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=177380
                            [Offtopic] I agree with your quote here (in terms of Phoronix's VDPAU/nVidia fanboism)... [/Offtopic]

                            Unfortunately, not everything is "roses"... Although I really prefer HTML5 over Flash, there are still some sites that need flash in order to work properly (for instance, some internet video sites (except maybe youtube), e-commerce sites, web portals, etc.).

                            Forcing us to use a browser that attacks your privacy (Chrome) is not a solution for Linux's flash problem... And unfortunately, we'll be "in the dark" quite some time until HTML5 "rules the world"... So, I'm a bit concerned about these Flash Linux news...

                            Cheers

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by evolution View Post
                              [Offtopic] I agree with your quote here (in terms of Phoronix's VDPAU/nVidia fanboism)... [/Offtopic]

                              Unfortunately, not everything is "roses"... Although I really prefer HTML5 over Flash, there are still some sites that need flash in order to work properly (for instance, some internet video sites (except maybe youtube), e-commerce sites, web portals, etc.).

                              Forcing us to use a browser that attacks your privacy (Chrome) is not a solution for Linux's flash problem... And unfortunately, we'll be "in the dark" quite some time until HTML5 "rules the world"... So, I'm a bit concerned about these Flash Linux news...

                              Cheers
                              aside from my previous post (where i explained that flash's lack of future development probably won't result in many problems), what exactly makes chrome have bad privacy? it's not like google is allowed to take your credit card number and use it, or take the passwords of your accounts. this is the same stupid issue of people fearing their governments watching their every move - sure ethically they have no right to do that but if you aren't doing anything wrong, if you don't have anyone who is "after you", and if you've got nothing to hide then why do you care? if you're paranoid and a criminal in some way (whether you've been arrested or not) or have something to be ashamed of then maybe you should have thought about your actions before doing them in the first place.

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