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  • #16
    DMCA? That's disgusting. I'm glad I don't use Skype.

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    • #17
      Gene is out of the bottle/ Open-Source must be addaptive

      True, MS bought Skype; True the code was purchased at the time of purchase. Question remains: Was the 'Skype' code available as a open-sourced code up until that moment? If so, the 'gene is out of the bottle' (Grandfathered) code.

      I submit: Because the -open source' code was available pre MS purchase the existence of use was years prior; Can the 'open-sourced' code, available 'pre MS purchase' be re branded; and use existing 'port' functions? I think so.

      When MS purchased 'Skype/ code': They now have the rights to alter that code how they see fit, from that point forward. Previous 'open-sourced' versions; however, might be 're-branded' and 'fork off' to create an independent application.

      This could be in the form of an adaptive 'Google+ (Hang Out) tool. A Google 'sponsored' open source application that can be used to contact 'Skype/ Google+' client lists might be developed? Reliance on driver specifics for hardware use has already been developed for the 'Google+' (Hang Out) appliance. It would be a matter of either porting the existing contact info from an open-sourced 'Skype'; or creating them independently, one at a time.

      I remind the developers about the existence of 'Pigeon Internet Messaging (PIM)' as a starting platform. Just add Video/Audio functions and a wider array of function to pre-existing' IM services is available. This again excludes the client list of Skype; as PIM opens Skype independently. Expand the PIM function to accept individual 'manual' entry of a contact list might be the only alternative for 'Skype' contact lists; as it might be considered a violation of service to port list as a mass 'export'.

      Like with all network changes: 'morphing' into a better application takes organization and planning. Do not give up!!

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      • #18
        When was skype ever open-source? This is talking about an attempt to reverse-engineer the skype protocol, which has always been closed-source and proprietary as far as I am aware.

        I think our only hope is that microsoft makes skype xmpp compatible like they did with msn. I don't think it is impossible, if they are pushing xmpp it makes sense to make all their products compatible with it.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by halo9en View Post
          We != Me. Open protocols are welcome, but I have to connect with people who still use Skype and I certainly don't want to resort to Windows partitions or using Skype under wine, or using a 1+ years old version of skype beta for linux.
          Bullsh**. Tell your retard's to upgrade to open protocols. Ekiga.net accounts are FREE and offer SIP-to-SIP (no PSTN linkup).

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          • #20
            Negatie input, breads negative results ... .

            Prior to MS purchase of Skype: I used two versions. One Linux(Ubuntu); the other MS(Windows 7). After MS Purchased: When I added a new contact in Linux, which is working; this same contact was not present in MS. Using the recipricating method; I am able to add a contact in MS, and havevisible in the Linux version (Skype 2.2 (Beta)).

            The fore mentioned version of Skype might have been 'open sourced' at one time (Pre-MS Sale). This is not the argument: Skype is now a MS subsidiary. Running from WINE has 'layering' issue that make the application inoperable. Skype is now proprietary software.

            Using 'xmpp' is a starting point. At present: 'Pigeon Internet Messaging (PIM)' will allow activation Skype 2.2 (Beta). Only the (Beta) application runs independently; seperate from (PIM). This (Beta) mod must have been developed at a time prior to MS purchase; the newer versions of MS Skype only accept 'grandfathered' contact lists, for the (Beta). At present: New contacts created in MS Skype are operable from the (Beta). This too may change.

            Because MSN in PIM is available; AND (Beta) as a seperate executable - It stands to reason that MSN may become inoperable, in the future. Maybe, that is the original purpose for the MS purchase of Skype? To exclude MSN from PIM like application.

            Constructive evaluation of the issue will aid in a progressive path for resolution. Negatie input, breads negative results; AND only looses trackion towards the agreed on goal.

            What is that goal? I do not know; however, getting there is not following the 'path of least resistance'.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
              Bullsh**. Tell your retard's
              And that's why the stereotype regarding free software supporters is that we don't get laid. Learn some civility.

              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
              to upgrade to open protocols. Ekiga.net accounts are FREE
              It would be unrealistic to assume all of halo9en's friends and family have Skype installed just to talk to halo9en, or that the rest of their own respective friends and family would be willing to switch. I'd love for everyone to use something more open than Facebook, too, but getting people to make a change that will isolate them from their social circle turns out to be a lot harder than just getting them to switch their OS.

              I have friends who, for reasons that are beyond me, spend dozens of hours a week skyping. For me to try to convince them to, in turn, try to convince all their contacts to switch to something else would be both futile and egotistical. Google's video chat may one day become more interoperable and have more users than Skype, but ekiga.net, like the GNU/Linux desktop, will forever remain the home of geeks and our non-geek parents.

              I personally use my Android phone and tablet to do video chat, on the rare occasions when I use it at all (pidgin or texting usually suits me fine). I still have Skype installed on my laptop, and will welcome a free software implementation of their protocol. Fighting the good fight doesn't matter to me if doing so prevents me from communicating with someone I love.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Hunter View Post
                Using 'xmpp' is a starting point. At present: 'Pigeon Internet Messaging (PIM)' will allow activation Skype 2.2 (Beta). Only the (Beta) application runs independently; seperate from (PIM). This (Beta) mod must have been developed at a time prior to MS purchase; the newer versions of MS Skype only accept 'grandfathered' contact lists, for the (Beta). At present: New contacts created in MS Skype are operable from the (Beta). This too may change.

                Because MSN in PIM is available; AND (Beta) as a seperate executable - It stands to reason that MSN may become inoperable, in the future. Maybe, that is the original purpose for the MS purchase of Skype? To exclude MSN from PIM like application.
                I am having some difficulty understanding you, but I think you have your timelines a bit confused. Microsoft added XMPP support for MSN a while after they purchased skype, making their MSN service more accessible to other applications like pidgin. If the goal of buying skype was to make MSN less accessible, why would add support for a protocol that would make MSN more accessible after they purchased skype? It doesn't make any sense. I am no fan of Microsoft, but I also don't think they are stupid.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Candide View Post
                  I do know that there is a version of Skype for Android. I don't know if it's open-source or not, nor do I know if it was really developed for Android (perhaps it's just the Linux version). I don't have an Android phone myself, but a friend of mine does and he says that Skype works well on it.
                  Yes, it's a version specific for Android. Closed source. I haven't found a need for it as most IM applications for Android (ie: QQ) have got the ability to send short voice messages mixed in with text messages and photos which I find much more convenient. You can have a conversation, or you can send short voice messages that they can listen to later. You can even cram photos and video in as well, or turn on the webcam and have a live video feed. So cool. Makes using a phone so much more convenient as you can talk to somebody without having them pick up their phone.
                  Last edited by Sidicas; 03-12-2012, 08:55 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by raindog469 View Post
                    It would be unrealistic to assume all of halo9en's friends and family have Skype installed just to talk to halo9en, or that the rest of their own respective friends and family would be willing to switch. I'd love for everyone to use something more open than Facebook, too, but getting people to make a change that will isolate them from their social circle turns out to be a lot harder than just getting them to switch their OS.

                    I have friends who, for reasons that are beyond me, spend dozens of hours a week skyping. For me to try to convince them to, in turn, try to convince all their contacts to switch to something else would be both futile and egotistical. Google's video chat may one day become more interoperable and have more users than Skype, but ekiga.net, like the GNU/Linux desktop, will forever remain the home of geeks and our non-geek parents.

                    I personally use my Android phone and tablet to do video chat, on the rare occasions when I use it at all (pidgin or texting usually suits me fine). I still have Skype installed on my laptop, and will welcome a free software implementation of their protocol. Fighting the good fight doesn't matter to me if doing so prevents me from communicating with someone I love.
                    They install Skype because MASS installs it. It is MASS driven. This is also what AMD references to backup claims opensource driver has low amount of developers. This is first part.

                    Second part is that is should work. Ekiga windows camera on video calls does not work everywhere. Pidgin xmpp video/audio works only on linux, not with linux-windows. This are real priorities! If you say X is better, but it does not do basic things, people start using what "others do".

                    You rely on "others" if you donīt know. Those who donīt know, have to believe. This is where skype marketing lands. It is same stuff as with crappy ICQ. Everyone knows it is crappy, even mailru who purchased ICQ knew it is crap. But people used it, only because other people used it.

                    This MASS is driven only via Ads. So he is correct, that these are retards. You donīt have to be geek to understand that. And no, ekiga is not "home of the geeks", because Ubuntu and similar are MUCH easier to use than windows.

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                    • #25
                      ekiga does no filetransfers and does not use encryption. so it is definitely not a full replacement.

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                      • #26
                        Yep, with sipwitch we already have a proper server, but the encryption support in clients is very lacking.

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                        • #27
                          Jitsi as alternative

                          There is Jitsi.
                          http://jitsi.org/

                          I think they also have plugin/library that handles even skype protocol, beside SIP and others.
                          I heard of it on FLOSS Weekly podcast number 162: Jitsi
                          http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly
                          http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/162

                          I hear them using gPodder, btw:
                          http://gpodder.org/

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