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  • #46
    Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
    It is not lack of common sense. It is the lack og balls and brains. It is evident that a project seeking maximum freedom wont let it self get chained by commercial interests of a single company. Realizing this and acting on this requires more than couch-sitters with interests in keeping their commercial jobs.
    While companies work on Qt and we just benefit from their work there's no sense to fork Qt now. It will make sense if they start hurting Linux somehow. Right now they simply serve the community.

    Linux is doing perfectly fine without a commercial entity to grab all the freedom an neutrality. So please stop your nonsense. Unless your another paid-by from the commercial license?
    There's simply no way someone can grab Linux freedom in this case, because we can always fork Qt. I don't believe in neutrality, though.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
      Linux is doing perfectly fine without a commercial entity to grab all the freedom an neutrality. So please stop your nonsense. Unless your another paid-by from the commercial license?
      Are you so blind with Marxist Rage that you fail to see the balance that commercial entities provide ontop of the community itself?

      Community Provides Innovation, but companies provide the drudgery work nobody really cares to do. We need both rather than trying to exclude either side.

      The Simple fact of the matter is that there are thousands of companies that work on the linux kernel, here let me list a few big names:

      Red Hat
      Novell (Now Attachmate)
      AMD
      Intel
      HP
      IBM
      Google
      (and here in this list just for you) Microsoft

      And oh guess what? the Linux Kernel is as free as it's ever been, and is much better off for all of their contributions. I for one say thank you to all the businesses and individual contributors who've added to the kernel and applaud their work.

      If you want to go off and play in your company-less land you can go use HURD oh wait no... their Microkernel has been contributed to by a company, BSD? nope, uh... Plan 9? nope that's a development from a company.. QNX? oh wait.. another company created one, L4? nope IBM... well have fun writing your own kernel, with your own display server, and your own toolkit, and such because you're pretty much SOL otherwise.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by kraftman View Post
        While companies work on Qt and we just benefit from their work there's no sense to fork Qt now. It will make sense if they start hurting Linux somehow.
        NEWSFLASH. The Qt owners are already hurting linux phone producers.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
          The Simple fact of the matter is that there are thousands of companies that work on the linux kernel, here let me list a few big names:

          Red Hat
          Novell (Now Attachmate)
          AMD
          Intel
          HP
          IBM
          Google
          (and here in this list just for you) Microsoft
          Do you know why? Because Linux is truly free. Free from having an antilinux owner like Nokia who will scare alot of contributors away. I never said companies shouldnt og couldnt contribute. I hope they will. But not in the form of CLAing rights to Microsoft strategic partner. Having Nokia own a toolkit is as stupid as having Oracle own OOo. And now we even have seen the star om the open core business model through Digia.

          Sorry but no piece of sofware is worth that.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
            Free from having an antilinux owner like Nokia who will scare alot of contributors away.
            Now how exactly is Nokia anti-linux? They have been developing Linux based phones since 2003 and Qt toolkit is probably supported best on Linux.

            Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
            And now we even have seen the star om the open core business model through Digia.
            Because few patches didn't make to Qt in time? You gotta to be fucking kidding me. I doubt that Digia even has right to do that as it would be harmful to Nokia and Qt in general.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
              NEWSFLASH. The Qt owners are already hurting linux phone producers.
              NEWSFLASH, All Phone Producers are suing each other

              see:
              http://www.technewsdaily.com/images/...jpg?1317327615

              Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
              Do you know why? Because Linux is truly free. Free from having an antilinux owner like Nokia who will scare alot of contributors away. I never said companies shouldnt og couldnt contribute. I hope they will. But not in the form of CLAing rights to Microsoft strategic partner. Having Nokia own a toolkit is as stupid as having Oracle own OOo. And now we even have seen the star om the open core business model through Digia.

              Sorry but no piece of sofware is worth that.
              I'm against CLAs too, however at this point in time they are under contractual obligations and having been working on becoming more open. They went for being primarily LGPL on it under Nokia, as opposed to segmenting it into the commercial and free software segments. They then recently established the Qt-Project which largely has governance over the toolkit. In all likelihood the CLA will end up being removed within the next few years if not at the Qt 5.0 release.

              Digia itself from my perusing of their site makes their money the same way Red Hat does which is to say support contracts.

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              • #52
                Evil

                Originally posted by Teho View Post
                Because few patches didn't make to Qt in time? You gotta to be fucking kidding me. I doubt that Digia even has right to do that as it would be harmful to Nokia and Qt in general.
                LOL. Digia is promoting Qt commercial for having these extra bugfixes! IT IS OPEN CORE BUSINESS. It it just was a unfortunate mistiming it would never end up in marketing.
                http://www.digia.com/en/Qt/About-us/...-for-Download/

                So it is not a matter of Digia being sorry about this "mishap" is their business model for christs sake.

                Enough about Digias open core business model. Now onto Nokias shameful patent attacks against Linux. Nokia wanna do it in style so the team up with Microsoft.
                http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/...ent-deal/10523
                They are hunting down phone producers whom deliver Android phones.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                  LOL. Digia is promoting Qt commercial for having these extra bugfixes! IT IS OPEN CORE BUSINESS. It it just was a unfortunate mistiming it would never end up in marketing.
                  http://www.digia.com/en/Qt/About-us/...-for-Download/

                  So it is not a matter of Digia being sorry about this "mishap" is their business model for christs sake.
                  ... Of course it's going to end up in the marketing, Marketing types are going to latch onto anything they can get their paws on period.

                  The simple fact of the matter is that none of the Digia people had access to the repositories to do commits which you would know if you'd read the mailing list that was linked in the article, that is being fixed now.

                  and as addressed above their website clearly indicates that they're in the support business, not the software sales business. It's much as Redhat has RHEL but there's also CentOS, Scientific Linux, etc..

                  Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                  Enough about Digias open core business model. Now onto Nokias shameful patent attacks against Linux. Nokia wanna do it in style so the team up with Microsoft.
                  http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/...ent-deal/10523
                  They are hunting down phone producers whom deliver Android phones.
                  Companies suing other companies in the field with the biggest litigation mess? how shocking! From the article it sounds like it's all hardware patents, there is no mention of Qt or software at all.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
                    Companies suing other companies in the field with the biggest litigation mess? how shocking! From the article it sounds like it's all hardware patents, there is no mention of Qt or software at all.
                    I gave you an example where Nokia teams up Microsoft to do a full blown patent attack on Android players. An yeah this also includes other patents than software patents. Because Nokia and Microsoft means business. They want to crush Linux smart phones. Now you show another example where a "prolinux" company sues another "prolinux" company. There must be plenty right? Thanks!

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                      They want to crush Linux smart phones.
                      That article doesn't refer to any patents related to Linux. The patent mess is sickening but simply suing a company that happens to use Linux doesn't make them anti-Linux. Microsoft's Android patent fees are example of anti-Linux activity but as far as I know that has nothing to do with Nokia and even less Qt.

                      But with your logic Oracle is an example of a company that is "prolinux" that has sued "prolinux" companies (Google Android's Dalvik (has nothign to do with Linux itself ofc)).

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                      • #56
                        I just read this whole thread, and I feel like i need a shower

                        So much mud

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                          NEWSFLASH. The Qt owners are already hurting linux phone producers.
                          STOP. PLEASE. JUST.....STOP!!!

                          Even RMS quit his bitching about Qt. Go back to using your Ubuntu.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DaemonFC View Post
                            STOP. PLEASE. JUST.....STOP!!!

                            Even RMS quit his bitching about Qt. Go back to using your Ubuntu.
                            STOP. Wait for 12.04, because current one is using mono. ;>

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                            • #59
                              I think some people are misunderestimating the dire situation of Qt as an open source toolkit. Nokia is in bed with Microsoft so their focus is in mainly in promoting Microsoft technologies and getting them to work well with their handsets. Digia's primary focus is Qt commercial, they may throw some breadcrumbs to the open source community, but most if not all the new functionality they are developing is for Qt commercial customers.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                                I think some people are misunderestimating the dire situation of Qt as an open source toolkit. Nokia is in bed with Microsoft so their focus is in mainly in promoting Microsoft technologies and getting them to work well with their handsets. Digia's primary focus is Qt commercial, they may throw some breadcrumbs to the open source community, but most if not all the new functionality they are developing is for Qt commercial customers.
                                Yeah.

                                Qt failed as free software.
                                Qt failed as commercial software.
                                Still Qt marketing is pushing towards the worst of those two worlds; Open Core business. God save the Queen and Qts marketing team. Please tell ud a story about hundreds of developers and thuousands of commercial customers. We simply cant wait any longer!
                                Last edited by funkSTAR; 12-19-2011, 01:20 PM.

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