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    Phoronix: What People Are Saying About GNOME [Part 5]

    The GNOME 2011 User Survey is about to end (the survey period was extended as I was out of the office the past two weeks), but here's the latest batch of one-thousand responses about the GNOME desktop. The survey responses in full from the other questions will be published soon.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=16784

  • #2
    hmm?

    could somebody please explain why that stuff is posted in the news section over and over again?
    If it would be some poll results i would be happy to read it, this this looks like artificially creating news/traffic.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Linuxhippy View Post
      could somebody please explain why that stuff is posted in the news section over and over again?
      If it would be some poll results i would be happy to read it, this this looks like artificially creating news/traffic.
      Yeah and it is completely unreadable.

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      • #4
        TL;DR

        I've read them all, so let me summarize the responses for you (even if I don't completely agree):

        "Gnome 3 sucks."

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        • #5
          This survey tells more about the readers of Phoronix than Gnome. These people are disrespectful, inconsiderate, selfish and rude crowd of hateful lowlifes. I can't believe that _anyone_ would take these people seriously and I hope that Gnome developers can see this as what it's or even better, avoid it completely. It's unfortunate that Phoronix has sunk so low to publish such garbage. This is disgrace to FOSS community...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Teho View Post
            This survey tells more about the readers of Phoronix than Gnome. These people are disrespectful, inconsiderate, selfish and rude crowd of hateful lowlifes. I can't believe that _anyone_ would take these people seriously and I hope that Gnome developers can see this as what it's or even better, avoid it completely. It's unfortunate that Phoronix has sunk so low to publish such garbage. This is disgrace to FOSS community...
            I agree.

            But at the same time, I don't think there was ever any actual danger of the Gnome devs listening to their users.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Teho View Post
              This survey tells more about the readers of Phoronix than Gnome. These people are disrespectful, inconsiderate, selfish and rude crowd of hateful lowlifes. I can't believe that _anyone_ would take these people seriously and I hope that Gnome developers can see this as what it's or even better, avoid it completely. It's unfortunate that Phoronix has sunk so low to publish such garbage. This is disgrace to FOSS community...
              The typical fanboy stubborness... Take your head out of your ass and try to understand rants before ranting about the rants xDDDD.

              If Shell Devs and designers would heard users first, today's anger would have been a little rant only. They had two years with the 2,9x testing and this whole year with the 3.0 and 3.2 versions. THREE YEARS to hear users.

              What we have now? Impositions, users must follow the "Great GNOME leaders way" without discussion.

              People is disrespectful with GS because Devs and Designers are disrespectful with them... Are you against a STUPID design decision with good manners -example: Suspend only option -? Censorship, exclusion, bad manners and bugzilla account suspension warnings... They deserve all this hate and bad words because they did the GS design and implementation outside the users community.

              What do they want for their stravaganzas and bad design decisions, flowers? Come on...

              THIS ATTITUDE IS THE REAL DISGRACE FOR FOSS COMMUNITY - and old GNOME tradition -.Learn about all the people out there that consider GS a failure or a half baked desktop, instead of calling their opinions garbage.

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              • #8
                Did anyone actually read all these responses (and if so, what's wrong with them)? It's a completely new design, so there are going to be lots of medium and small bugs right now. If you don't like GNOME 3, either use something else or work to make it better.. Mint 12 shows the most promise so far with their custom extensions, but it still leaves one with the feeling of using two different GUI paradigms melted together. I hope G3 will be more usable by 3.4 or 3.6 at the worst.

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                • #9
                  Upgrading to Gnome 3 is like your wife getting a sex change without asking you. The woman you fell in love with is gone, you're never going to get her back, and now you need a divorce.

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                  • #10
                    Gnome 3 has a Fallback mode which feels exactly like old Gnome 2.x so I don't understand why so many people are crying about. Anyway I don't mind the new interface, what I do not want is a buggy DE. Gnome 3.x is for now the one that has had for me the least bugs when compared to others, in fallback mode I experience no bugs at all to be honest. Gnome 3.2 is a lot faster and I am really happy that the Gnome devs are taking serious actions against small yet ridiculous bugs in the activities overview, though I am yet waiting for a fix with the gnome panel so it'll stop overlaping the apps menus (which is my major complain against Gnome 3.x at all).
                    Last edited by josian_220; 12-04-2011, 02:09 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by alvadoraemon View Post
                      The typical fanboy stubborness... Take your head out of your ass and try to understand rants before ranting about the rants xDDDD.
                      I don't use Gnome nor am I a "fanboy". There's no excuse for the language used in those "rants" especially when we are talking about open source developement.

                      Originally posted by alvadoraemon View Post
                      What we have now? Impositions, users must follow the "Great GNOME leaders way" without discussion.
                      No one is pointing a gun at your head. You are free to use what ever you like. If the projects you like die, they aren't as popular as you think.

                      Originally posted by alvadoraemon View Post
                      People is disrespectful with GS because Devs and Designers are disrespectful with them
                      If you believe that developer is being disrespectful by not doing exactly what you would like him to do on his/her freetime then you are a fucking idiot.

                      Originally posted by alvadoraemon View Post
                      Censorship, exclusion, bad manners and bugzilla account suspension warnings...
                      After reading some of the comments on the survey I'm not suprised at all. I feel bad for the people who have to spend their time on cleaning up this crap on BugZilla so they can use it for what it's desinged for.

                      Originally posted by alvadoraemon View Post
                      What do they want for their stravaganzas and bad design decisions, flowers? Come on...
                      Constructive criticism, ever heard of it?

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                      • #12
                        One thing that mystifies me is that via extensions most of the missing gnome2 functionality is restored. What I find mystifing is that these extensions, which amount to just a few thousand lines of javascript, weren't included in gnome3 to begin with. It would have meant that old style users could have put things back as they liked them and everyone would have been happy. I realise that people can now get working on this outside of gnome, but it seems an odd thing not to do. Also its going to take a while (few months/a year) for these extensions to mature, and even then there are going to be problems about upgrades and incompatible extensions. Having a few core ones (menu, windowlist, workspace switcher etc) developed and maintained in-house by the gnome team should have been the way they went. Talk about opportunity missed. This way you don't alienate your existing userbase while pursuing mythical new users.

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                        • #13
                          Do Gnome 2 Fanbois try XFCE and KDE and decide neither suits them? or do they just throw tantrums and do nothing?
                          Do they understand that XFCE is lightweight and actually has panel(s)? (and quite configurable ones at that).
                          Last edited by korrode; 12-04-2011, 09:35 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by korrode View Post
                            Do Gnome 2 Fanbois try XFCE and KDE and decide neither suits them? or do they just throw tantrums and do nothing?
                            Do they understand that XFCE is lightweight and actually has panel(s)? (and quite configurable ones at that).
                            I did. In fact i've been using kde for the last week, and xfce for a month before that.

                            KDE just feels weird, too many options on every single menu, and many things have "weird" names. The most simple thing, right clicking the window title gives TWELVE options! And five of them have submenus!!! The only thing I like better than Gnome counterpart are the development tools, like QTCreator.

                            XFCE is mostly fine, but most of the xfce apps are too simple, so I end relying on Gnome apps, and since XFCE uses GTK2 and new Gnome apps use GTK3 there are some problems making them coexist. GTK3 apps are unthemed on xfce to begin with. XFCE doesn't plan to support GTK3 until after 4.10.

                            If things continue like this, I'll end developing my own personal desktop.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tundra View Post
                              If things continue like this, I'll end developing my own personal desktop.
                              Please ask Phronix to post a survey when you have completed it!

                              It will give you heaps of awesome feedback, and then you have to do what the feedback says.

                              Because FOSS is about choice, or doing what the users want, or not changing, or changing only a little bit, or giving everyone new features. Or Something.

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