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  • #31
    This unauthorized use of our application for malicious activities like spamming/phishing infringes on Skype's intellectual property.
    I get a kick out of that statement considering that almost every damn phone scam originates from the scammer using the skype service.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
      By changing it again
      That will only up the ante..stakes are quite high as it is. With MS now in the picture by acquiring Skype this will have the potential to become another war (of words)

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      • #33
        clean room reimplementation would be the right thing to do, law permits that.
        Clean-room is more of a defense against copyright infringement claims (even if some code ends up being identical, it can't be copyright infringement if the programmer had nothing to copy) than something that the law requires.

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        • #34
          There are two words as a response to this oversized reaction from Skype representatives:
          1. Assholes!
          2. Boycott!
          I'll shamelessly advertise their wonderful attitude to all people I know and promote freedom instead. I've already (and for long) ditched Skype and intend to show people around me the great free software we have instead.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by yoshi314 View Post
            skype has solid legal basis for making action over this.
            because, apparently protocol was not really reverse engineered, but the executable was processed with disasseblers and debuggers. that makes it illegal.
            a clean room reimplementation would be the right thing to do, law permits that.
            Actually, did any of you consult Russian law about this? Because I doubt a Russian programmer cares about US law, unless he wants to visit the US some time soon...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
              i never said anything about it being illegal, its just MS is notorious for suing people who threaten their competition, no matter how much or how little they are likely to win and MS owns skype.
              Microsoft does NOT own Skype. Microsoft & Skype signed an agreement that the former will buy the later if the shareholders of both companies and the relevant government authorities that care about market regulation (at least in the EU & the US) give their permission.

              So this reaction is entirely Skype's.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by JanC View Post
                Microsoft does NOT own Skype. Microsoft & Skype signed an agreement that the former will buy the later if the shareholders of both companies and the relevant government authorities that care about market regulation (at least in the EU & the US) give their permission.

                So this reaction is entirely Skype's.
                Ya but for some it is just easier to put on the tin foil hat and yell "conspiracy".

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                  i would prefer the resources that went into reverse engineering skype to have been dedicated in improving xmpp+audio/video plus doing more to make it more known.

                  I completely agree. I stopped using all of the closed IM protocols (unless SMS counts) a while ago. I only use XMPP and IRC. I try to get all of my family and friends to use gmail and use google chat with an open source multi-protocol client like pidgin. I hope to do my part increase XMPP's market share and hopefully wean people off of the others.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Prescience500 View Post
                    I completely agree. I stopped using all of the closed IM protocols (unless SMS counts) a while ago. I only use XMPP and IRC. I try to get all of my family and friends to use gmail and use google chat with an open source multi-protocol client like pidgin. I hope to do my part increase XMPP's market share and hopefully wean people off of the others.
                    If you have friends or family who use Windows you may want to clue them in on Jitsi. It supports XMPP with Jingle (audio/video) on Windows, MacOS and Linux. Unfortunately Pidgin *still* lacks video support on Windows which is really disappointing. I understand the developers are volunteers but this is a huge thing holding them back.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                      fyi, MS actually never won against the lindows case, but the devs were basically told to change the name, probably because the court was tired of hearing MS bitch and moan. today, paying for linspire is to help cover their court costs.
                      Actually, they lost it, except in one country, where they won, so Linspire changed the name rather than blocking that country.

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                      • #41
                        SIP is free, works, is standard, open, and yes, does video too.

                        Originally posted by yotambien View Post
                        So what is it we people should wake up to? A world where we can't make video calls to our friends and family without horribly troubling ourselves in the process? Uhm...let them think about it...ah, yes, I did tried the alternatives: they didn't work. So no, thanks, there's only one of them lives and I do want to live it.

                        But I appreciate the sense of humour. Attention everybody, from now on, in linux circles, Skype is to be tagged as a piece of Microsoft trash...

                        Having said this, I would love the reverse engineering efforts to fully achieve their goals.

                        PS. And what is it about Skype's linux client? Am I the lucky one for whom it works or what?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                          SIP is free, works, is standard, open, and yes, does video too.
                          OK, perhaps things changed in the last three to four years. Tell me about this SIP based multiplatform package you have in mind that a) does voice, video and IM; b) it doesn't require me or my buddies (but specially my buddies) to know what NAT is; c) it works. I also hope signing up for a free SIP account is as easy as creating a Skype account, i.e. the software must not require me to look anything up.

                          So the winner is?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by yotambien View Post
                            OK, perhaps things changed in the last three to four years. Tell me about this SIP based multiplatform package you have in mind that a) does voice, video and IM; b) it doesn't require me or my buddies (but specially my buddies) to know what NAT is; c) it works. I also hope signing up for a free SIP account is as easy as creating a Skype account, i.e. the software must not require me to look anything up.

                            So the winner is?
                            You don't need a multi-platform solution. You need a SIP client for whatever platform YOU use. Let everybody else worry about their own platforms. There are TONS of SIP clients. Ekiga is one (which, yes, supports VIDEO)... and yes, ekiga DOES offer free accounts... and IS multi-platform.

                            NO, SIP does NOT require you to even HAVE an account with any retarded provider. It happens to also be perfectly happy running PEER-TO-PEER, so you know the IP address of whoever you're calling? Or their DDNS address? Then dial their IP.

                            And no, you don't need to know anything about NAT. At least not when you're using a registrar OR a router with phone ports (which obviously understands SIP and deals with your routing).


                            Edit: Free SIP account: https://www.ekiga.net/?page=register

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                              You don't need a multi-platform solution. You need a SIP client for whatever platform YOU use. Let everybody else worry about their own platforms. There are TONS of SIP clients. Ekiga is one (which, yes, supports VIDEO)... and yes, ekiga DOES offer free accounts... and IS multi-platform.

                              NO, SIP does NOT require you to even HAVE an account with any retarded provider. It happens to also be perfectly happy running PEER-TO-PEER, so you know the IP address of whoever you're calling? Or their DDNS address? Then dial their IP.

                              And no, you don't need to know anything about NAT. At least not when you're using a registrar OR a router with phone ports (which obviously understands SIP and deals with your routing).


                              Edit: Free SIP account: https://www.ekiga.net/?page=register
                              Of course I need a multi-platform solution, sometimes I'm on linux and sometimes on windows XP, Vista or whatever I happen to have in my hands. Also, it's pretty disingenuous to suggest that I can tell my family and friends to look up anything about SIP, let alone mentioning "registrar" or "phone ports". Ekiga was absolutely unsatisfactory on linux when I tried it. On Windows it was useless. And yes, it required me to do stuff to make it through the routers.

                              So again, what is this far superior to Skype software you are talking about?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by yotambien View Post
                                Of course I need a multi-platform solution, sometimes I'm on linux and sometimes on windows XP, Vista or whatever I happen to have in my hands. Also, it's pretty disingenuous to suggest that I can tell my family and friends to look up anything about SIP, let alone mentioning "registrar" or "phone ports". Ekiga was absolutely unsatisfactory on linux when I tried it. On Windows it was useless. And yes, it required me to do stuff to make it through the routers.

                                So again, what is this far superior to Skype software you are talking about?
                                Well, for those who have a hard time clicking the setup button and following instructions, I can see how if may not work satisfactorily... unfortunately for you, if you can't install ekiga, you also can't install skype. Sucks to be you.

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