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  • #16
    Originally posted by FireBurn View Post
    I'm pretty sure there is nothing illegal about reverse engineering a protocol otherwise the Samba project would be in a lot of trouble
    i never said anything about it being illegal, its just MS is notorious for suing people who threaten their competition, no matter how much or how little they are likely to win and MS owns skype. as an example, just look at linspire - that was originally named "lindows" and ms sued them because of the friggin name. if the VP of skype truly believes what he/she said about this reverse engineering being a problem then this developer is in some serious crap right now, as he probably doesn't have the money to pay for a lawyer who can back him up.


    fyi, MS actually never won against the lindows case, but the devs were basically told to change the name, probably because the court was tired of hearing MS bitch and moan. today, paying for linspire is to help cover their court costs.

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    • #17
      It was to be expected that they were going to attack the developer. They didn't keep it closed so that one day one guy could hack his way through it. Something that's closed should remain closed against third-party access.

      I understand why they would keep the protocol closed, namely it helps defending against the ever increasing amount of spam via IM software. So reverse-engineering the protocol and releasing the source code has both a positive ad negative side.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
        both the developer and the VP in this situation is wrong and an idiot.

        the person who reverse engineered skype was taking a pretty big risk of getting caught. telling people he's made progress is even worse of an idea, especially if he didn't release source code. seriously, what was he thinking? did he honestly think that the skype people were just going to simply not do anything about this?
        People doing this kind of work often want to "get caught", in the sense that they want credit for opening a closed system. The developer most likely figured that Skype's hands are tied by the need to remain compatible with the various "Skype phones" and such in the field. Yes, they could apply stricter measures to a new version, but those measures would still be implemented in code that could be reverse-engineered. If they require constant updates to every Skype client (including embedded ones) to get on the network, I think they'll find that their customers don't consider that the "best possible experience".

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Michael View Post
          I just received another email from them... Thanking me for posting this article and their response... I guess they don't realize Phoronix supports Linux and open-source...
          I'm sure there are several other things they don't realize. But then again, they're not paid to.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            I wish people would wake up. This skype crap needs to die already. There are FAR superior OPEN alternatives to this piece of MS TRASH.
            So what is it we people should wake up to? A world where we can't make video calls to our friends and family without horribly troubling ourselves in the process? Uhm...let them think about it...ah, yes, I did tried the alternatives: they didn't work. So no, thanks, there's only one of them lives and I do want to live it.

            But I appreciate the sense of humour. Attention everybody, from now on, in linux circles, Skype is to be tagged as a piece of Microsoft trash...

            Having said this, I would love the reverse engineering efforts to fully achieve their goals.

            PS. And what is it about Skype's linux client? Am I the lucky one for whom it works or what?
            Last edited by yotambien; 06-03-2011, 02:26 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by yotambien View Post
              PS. And what is it about Skype's linux client? Am I the lucky one for whom it works or what?
              Skype is riddled with bugs. More often than not, audio doesn't come through. It simply stays silent. The only audio chat protocol that consistently works for me is Google Talk through Empathy.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Remco View Post
                Skype is riddled with bugs. More often than not, audio doesn't come through. It simply stays silent. The only audio chat protocol that consistently works for me is Google Talk through Empathy.
                I blame pulse audio. And if you don't use pulse audio I blame you : D

                Nah, seriously, that's pretty bad. I know it sucks saying "it works for me" but that's exactly my situation here.

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                • #23
                  "This unauthorized use of our application for malicious activities like spamming/phishing infringes on Skype's intellectual property. We are taking all necessary steps to prevent/defeat nefarious attempts to subvert Skype's experience. Skype takes its users' safety and security seriously and we work tirelessly to ensure each individual has the best possible experience."

                  Fraud, Scare tactics.... is it under M$ already.
                  Seriously it's a very clever email that not directly associate Reverse Engineer with event BUT MAKING YOU MICHAEL TO DO IT!.... and when sniffing own network traffic and analyzing it became illegal.
                  Btw: in recent weeks i noted 3 skype things.. it make almost constant segfault when i try to run it second time, new EULA agreement after published skype fix, and some skype spam texts..

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by yotambien View Post
                    I blame pulse audio. And if you don't use pulse audio I blame you : D

                    Nah, seriously, that's pretty bad. I know it sucks saying "it works for me" but that's exactly my situation here.
                    Well, at least Empathy now works. It used to crash whenever someone made a call to me. Still, when it works Skype has way superior audio quality. But I take working cracking audio over silence.

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                    • #25
                      Between being bought by Microsoft and these new shenanigans, who wants to join me and boycott Skype?

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                      • #26
                        We are taking all necessary steps to prevent/defeat nefarious attempts to subvert Skype's experience.
                        They're firing the team which designed win-Skype 4 and 5's UI? 'bout damn time. What an atrocity those are.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                          fyi, MS actually never won against the lindows case, but the devs were basically told to change the name, probably because the court was tired of hearing MS bitch and moan. today, paying for linspire is to help cover their court costs.
                          You are mixing up completely unrelated things.

                          Lindows was a TRADEMARK dispute. And it is pretty obvious to be honest. I can't start a shoe company called Seebok, nor a softdrink company called Tepsi.

                          This has nothing to do with trademarks whatsoever. Reverse engineering isn't illegal, even in the US with DMCA which has a interoperability fair use exemption. The only thing they can do is change the protocol. Which they will do

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                          • #28
                            skype has solid legal basis for making action over this.

                            because, apparently protocol was not really reverse engineered, but the executable was processed with disasseblers and debuggers. that makes it illegal.

                            a clean room reimplementation would be the right thing to do, law permits that.

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                            • #29
                              We are taking all necessary steps to prevent/defeat nefarious attempts to subvert Skype's experience.


                              Skype experience?
                              Like...

                              Self-resolving invasive routing?
                              Anti-softice, anti-debug, anti-interrupt routines?
                              Encrypted runtime-decyphering binaries?
                              Complete blackbox?
                              Zero security?
                              Exposing of personal data, reading of system files?
                              Availability of bot-nets running on skype network?

                              What do they fear? The data showing up what they actually use p2p bandwith for?

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                              • #30
                                i would prefer the resources that went into reverse engineering skype to have been dedicated in improving xmpp+audio/video plus doing more to make it more known.

                                even ubuntu/canonical doesn't try much in promoting this ie screenshots of Ubuntu chat chient (with video) connected to an android phone (or anything else for the matter) etc

                                similar to what apple did with facetime

                                anyway

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