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  • Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
    @BlackStar,
    Mono to. Net is what Gnome is to Windows; a horrible story of catching up. Novell did the right thing and you know it.

    It's sad that Gnome was all into it, that's why you fear the real man's Kdevelop IDE, Qt libs and the real programming language being C++.

    You know it be true. Say it. Admit it.
    This is obvious... where you get your opinions from? And which Gnome? And to catch up at which level?
    If you talk about Gnome1, about experiencence and a COM-based technology, I would agree with you that resemble to one level Windows 98 experience and libBonobo was a somewhat distant ressemblance with COM and COM+. If you talk even as orientation of Apply/OK/Cancel buttons, they also look like Windows.
    Going forward to Gnome2: Gtk2 have more abstractions like a true Model-View-Controller implementation used in a lot of places, libBonobo was reduced to dissapearance, and the libHal based to intrinsics of DCOP KDE implementation.
    About look&feel? I think OS X is a better matchup.
    What about Gnome 3? Probably is too early to say true directions: look&feel - still OS X/iOS, minimalistic buttons - still OS X. GObjectIntrospection looks as any reflection API, probably a hook from Java world. Programming with Vala is way off either Win32's API, MFC, Windows.Forms but luckily seems very close to GtkMM or Mono + Gtk# implementations.
    But your analogy stands ground. Mono have similar origins (Miguel), which stars of from a Microsoft technology, but is divergent in many points. Also, as said by myself two posts earlier, Mono is not on catchup, but on entering in new markets and to catchup from other fronts, as multiplatform (including iOS and Android), embedding, alternate support for Silverlight thought Mono.
    So as value of truth what you said is true: Gnome probably resembled with Windows initially but it grows as a different beast, the same about Mono with .Net.
    But comparing as face value, Qt looks and behaves very much as Delphi/CodeGear/Embarcadero Delphi/C++ Builder. And the experience of KDE applications is very Windows like. And true programmers that use it, will be overwhelmed by similarities.
    At the end: why to be so afraid of Qt in 1997? Was just a proprietary toolkit with a GPL only license that you can create almost everything excluding something to sell? Gtk+ even as crappy as it was, catched up in many ways, excluding programming paradigm. Thanks to Vala is not true anymore. To not say about look&feel: is Windows: your Dolphin and your Konquerror were better matches to Nautilus as Windows Explorer copies. To not say that to look for any settings you go to Tools->Options instead Edit->Preferences as in Gnome HIG. Too Windows like, isn't it?
    At the end analogies between Gnome and Windows seem pointless, as a Gnome user I feel offended. I am just appalled how KSC look Windows like but I do no fuss. Plasmoids to recreate the desktop anyone? That look as copycats for gadgets/widgets? Look for a Gnome 3 like solution for the same nonsense. Or maybe you found them in Unity... I doubt it!

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    • @ciplogic

      Obviously V!NCENT wasn't being serious, he is just trying to flirt with BlackStar again. That's what he does.

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      • Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
        @ciplogic

        Obviously V!NCENT wasn't being serious, he is just trying to flirt with BlackStar again. That's what he does.
        It's a courting ritual, yeah. For some reason I tend to cause that reaction in people. :P In fact, there was a pigeon that kept staring at me for 4 hours at work yesterday, turning its head and winking whenever I looked at it directly. I wish I was kidding.

        @V!NCENT: You are wrong. KDevelop sucks - QtCreator blows it out of the water!

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        • If Mono didn't strive to be compatible with the proprietary .NET, then why did Novell implement the patented namespaces?

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          • Originally posted by wswartzendruber View Post
            If Mono didn't strive to be compatible with the proprietary .NET, then why did Novell implement the patented namespaces?
            Besides, the front page of the Mono website says:

            Sponsored by Novell, Mono is an open source implementation of Microsoft's .NET Framework based on the ECMA standards for C# and the Common Language Runtime.
            ".NET Framework" and "Common Language Runtime" aren't generic standards-based terms, they're the names of Microsoft software.

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            • Originally posted by wswartzendruber View Post
              If Mono didn't strive to be compatible with the proprietary .NET, then why did Novell implement the patented namespaces?
              Because they are useful, duh.

              Why do ffmpeg and x264 implement patented algorithms?

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              • Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                It seems you're the one of hypocrites here who don't know what other people are talking about. Did I say I prefer flash over HTML5, Canvas, SVG? Just think before you write another dumb response. Oh, are you saying all the things you mentioned are toolkits or languages?
                Where did I say you prefer flash?

                You said flash did not compete with free software. I showed that it does.

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                • Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                  @ciplogic

                  Obviously V!NCENT wasn't being serious, he is just trying to flirt with BlackStar again. That's what he does.
                  Obviously he lost the Gnome battle, no he's found new turf to troll. You just don't realise his game, so I felt like breaking it down ^^,

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                  • Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
                    The trolls just keep streaming in.
                    As do the posts lacking any sort of content..
                    Oh look, here's another one!

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                    • Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                      Obviously he lost the Gnome battle, no he's found new turf to troll. You just don't realise his game, so I felt like breaking it down ^^,
                      Ha, now that Gnome 3 is out, KDE's days are numbered. Gnome 3 + Unity + Mono = teh shit.

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