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  • Fedora Needs Your Help Testing GNOME 3.0

    Phoronix: Fedora Needs Your Help Testing GNOME 3.0

    With Canonical ditching the GNOME 3.0 Shell in favor of their custom-developed Unity Desktop, one of the first Linux distributions where you'll see GNOME 3.0 shipping in full "out of the box" is Fedora 15. Fedora 15 is set to be released at the end of May, but a beta release happens to be coming out today. Additionally, this Thursday they're looking for your help in testing out GNOME 3.0...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTM1MA

  • #2
    Bluetooth not working here with Live image from 11 April, also not working with Gnome3 PPA under Ubuntu 11.04 .



    Also "Bluetooth is disabled", in combination with the grayed out "power" button is confusing and not very helpful IMHO.

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    • #3
      it would be much easier for everyone, if...

      If Gnome developers made some sort of source code/bin package that can run standalone on target machine(providing no X running).

      Lets say: you download code, unpack it, compile it in one folder and try executable from there, instead of system wide installation.

      I'd love to try out gnome, but i dont feel like firing up Live CD and from KVM - whole thing fails, as it seems hardware acceleration IS REQUIREMENT!

      So those with worse hardware - it will simply fail!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by monraaf View Post
        Bluetooth not working here with Live image from 11 April, also not working with Gnome3 PPA under Ubuntu 11.04 .

        Also "Bluetooth is disabled", in combination with the grayed out "power" button is confusing and not very helpful IMHO.
        Live image from 11th of April is outdated. The reason for creating a special image for testing is to pull in all the latest bug fixes. So try that and file a bug report if it fails. I would recommend using a Live USB. It is fast and your hard disk won't be touched so it is safe for testing as well.

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        • #5
          It's sad that the Debian/Ubuntu branches are fracturing and distros like Fedora and SuSe are setting the tone for gnome.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by monraaf View Post
            Bluetooth not working here with Live image from 11 April, also not working with Gnome3 PPA under Ubuntu 11.04 .



            Also "Bluetooth is disabled", in combination with the grayed out "power" button is confusing and not very helpful IMHO.
            I have the same issue here with a Lenovo ThinkPad X61T. This computer has a Broadcom BCM2045B Bluetooth 2.1 chipset. The chip is inside the system chassis somewhere, but apparently it connects to the USB bus.

            I got it to work using the hciconfig program manually (as root). This program has very similar options to ifconfig in some respects, so if you already know ifconfig, hciconfig shouldn't be too wildly different.

            First of all, it's almost guaranteed that your bluetooth device shows up as "hci0" to hciconfig.

            So:

            hciconfig hci0

            is going to give information analogous to

            ifconfig eth0

            What I needed to do, though, aside from

            hciconfig hci0 up

            is to run

            hciconfig hci0 piscan

            "pscan" is Page Scan; "iscan" is Inquiry Scan; and "piscan" is both together. Once I did this, I was able to pair with my Android phone and access files on it over FTP.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
              I have the same issue here with a Lenovo ThinkPad X61T. This computer has a Broadcom BCM2045B Bluetooth 2.1 chipset. The chip is inside the system chassis somewhere, but apparently it connects to the USB bus.

              I got it to work using the hciconfig program manually (as root). This program has very similar options to ifconfig in some respects, so if you already know ifconfig, hciconfig shouldn't be too wildly different.

              First of all, it's almost guaranteed that your bluetooth device shows up as "hci0" to hciconfig.

              So:

              hciconfig hci0

              is going to give information analogous to

              ifconfig eth0

              What I needed to do, though, aside from

              hciconfig hci0 up

              is to run

              hciconfig hci0 piscan

              "pscan" is Page Scan; "iscan" is Inquiry Scan; and "piscan" is both together. Once I did this, I was able to pair with my Android phone and access files on it over FTP.

              And of course I acknowledge that it should work using the Gnome3 UI, but we have a workaround for now so that you can set up your bluetooth device(s) and get on with testing other things. But please do report your problem to Fedora, and specify your Bluetooth chipset (I'm not sure if the problem is hardware-specific or not).

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              • #8
                Don't use nightlies

                As Rahul says, the nightly builds available are quite outdated; there's an issue with nightly composes ATM and the ones from 11 April have old packages as they were built while Beta freeze was in operation. Beta itself has later versions of a few critical things, but still doesn't have full GNOME 3.0 final.

                There will be a custom live image for the Test Day with all the latest available GNOME 3.0 packages. I'm currently building and testing that, and it will go live on the Test Day wiki page shortly. That will be the recommended image to use for testing.

                The Bluetooth problem looks likely more of a kernel issue than a bug in the GNOME 3 interface; it looks like there simply isn't support for your Bluetooth adapter. But if it works in a different desktop, maybe it is a GNOME bug.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AdamW View Post
                  As Rahul says, the nightly builds available are quite outdated; there's an issue with nightly composes ATM and the ones from 11 April have old packages as they were built while Beta freeze was in operation. Beta itself has later versions of a few critical things, but still doesn't have full GNOME 3.0 final.

                  There will be a custom live image for the Test Day with all the latest available GNOME 3.0 packages. I'm currently building and testing that, and it will go live on the Test Day wiki page shortly. That will be the recommended image to use for testing.
                  Hi -- will you make the test day packages available via yum? I have a F15 alpha system that's running and is quite stable, and I don't care to reinstall and lose settings, etc. I run `yum update` on it every couple of days and I've had surprisingly few issues while using gnome-shell on i965c. My yum.repos.d is identical to how it came by default on the F15 Alpha Gnome Live CD, so hopefully the repos listed will get the updates you spin on the live CD?

                  So far I've tested multi-monitor; multi-monitor hotplugging (1xLVDS, 1xVGA); bluetooth 2.1; advanced 3d (Trine, OilRush, MMT, Penumbra Overture); suspend to RAM; logout/login; pulseaudio local on Intel HDA and remote to a Windows PA daemon; OpenSUSE guest in VirtualBox (installed from packages on virtualbox.org); Intel chipset 802.11n; Quassel (a Qt4 app); Skype (also a Qt4 app); LibreOffice; and the new IcedTea-web plugin.

                  Out of that long list, I've had very, very few issues, and just two that I couldn't manage to resolve. My keyboard's "sleep key" (Fn + F4 on the ThinkPad X61) works on a cold boot, but it stops working after the first successful resume. I can still suspend and resume endlessly by clicking the "Suspend" option in the panel in the top-right corner, but the hardware key only does anything if I have suspended zero times so far since my last cold boot.

                  Other than that, all the GUIs in the interface of Gnome2, Gnome3 and Qt4 apps look native, and I haven't had any gnome-shell or mutter crashes in weeks of use. Performance on this slow old chipset is fantastic; it's even smoother than using r600g on a Radeon HD5970. I still haven't figured out why I get long pauses (1 - 4 seconds) when I click on the Activities menu (or move the mouse to the top-left) on r600g, but I can't reproduce the problem using i965, despite using the same packages from Fedora.


                  Originally posted by AdamW View Post
                  The Bluetooth problem looks likely more of a kernel issue than a bug in the GNOME 3 interface; it looks like there simply isn't support for your Bluetooth adapter. But if it works in a different desktop, maybe it is a GNOME bug.
                  The second problem I had is the bluetooth issue, but it's purely a Gnome problem to me, because I can get it working using hciconfig. The kernel has no problem finding and initializing the device once I bring it up. It just seems that the GUI is not doing the right thing to effect the initialization. I posted my exact BT chipset in my previous post. Edit: the GUI works once I get the device up and running.

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                  • #10
                    allquixotic: yes, if you're running an installed F15 pre-release with regular updates, that's fine for testing too.

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                    • #11
                      Can't make different connection profiles (say, "internet" and "shared") for individual interfaces using the Gnome network configuration tool (whatever it's called), and Gnome Terminal has an annoying resizing bug (it's already been reported on the RedHat bts, from what I can tell).

                      Other than that, it looks pretty solid. It's a little slow with my nVidia 7100 GS, but seems to work fine otherwise. I don't really like to have to do that extra click to change workspaces, but since I know the keyboard shortcut it's not too bad.

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                      • #12
                        Well, restarting the bluetooth service 'fixed' my bluetooth issue.

                        Code:
                        # systemctl restart bluetooth.service
                        Anyway seems I'm not the only one with bluetooth issues, as there was already a bug open for the issue.

                        https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=695588

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                        • #13
                          iso are not downloadable , they should create a torrent : it s quick and no need to use tool to check file

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                          • #14
                            Would love to test it if gnome3 worked with catalyst...

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                            • #15
                              Comparing this GNOME 3 test day to the Radeon test day one month ago, there's one thing I noticed:

                              One month ago, the suspend test failed at my place.
                              This time I tried again, and suspending appeared to work nicely.

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