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    Phoronix: Legal Threats Against MPlayer, Server To Disappear

    While legal threats to free software projects would be disastrous (if successful) to those seeking to destroy Linux and open-source work, there's sure been lots of in-fighting as of late that's proving to be quite damaging for many distinguished projects. OpenOffice.org to LibreOffice or KOffice to Caligra Office Suite may be "good forks", but last month some core developers forked FFmpeg to libav to abandon other developers/ There's also been the MPLayer2 fork of MPlayer. But now also on the multi-media front is some ill-detailed threats that is leading to the loss of one of the main MPlayer developers and all services that he provides to the project, including their central server...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTMwNA

  • #2
    Sometimes reading project developments like this remind me of a soap opera.

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    • #3
      Update

      Hi Koth and World

      Id like to clarify that there was and is no legal threat from me to
      anyone.
      I have no plans to involve any lawyers, any court, nothing like this.
      And even less so would i do something like that to attila.

      I still think having ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu point to libav is a scam and
      should be changed but theres no legal threat from me because of this.
      Source: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/...il/068017.html

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      • #4
        Of course the libav fork is somewhat questionable, because of all the drama around it, but calling it a "bad fork" outright is poor taste and poor journalism, IMHO. The situation is very difficult to decipher, though I have tried. By the way, the "certain project leader" in question couldn't be Michael Niedermayer, could it? Because that is the ffmpeg project leader, and if that's the things he does, I kinda understand where the libav team were coming from. Then again, it might be somebody else, because Attila Kinali isn't providing any names.

        While I understand the tension around libav, mplayer2, in my opinion, cannot be called a bad fork in any way. It just takes mplayer a different direction, that is all. If I were the leader of mplayer2, I'd be offended by Phoronix right now for this groundless accusation.

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        • #5
          Interesting PS

          I found Kinali's quote of Ursula Le'Guin's "The Dispossessed" interesting. She has been one of my favorite authors, and this one of my favorite books, since the 1970's. Time to go back and re-read them I think... :-)

          Anyway, back on topic. Sometimes you just have to cut the cord and move on. Losing a major contributor (both in time, IP, and resources it seems) can be a serious blow to an open source project like this. Sometimes they are handled well, and others... not so. I think that the OOo -> LibreOffice split was sensible, and after seeing Vitagnoli at the Flourish! conference in Chicago last weekend, I understand better why he did what he did. I don't think that the mplayer -> mplayer2 split will work out quite so well, unfortunately.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rubberman View Post
            I found Kinali's quote of Ursula Le'Guin's "The Dispossessed" interesting. She has been one of my favorite authors, and this one of my favorite books, since the 1970's. Time to go back and re-read them I think... :-)

            Anyway, back on topic. Sometimes you just have to cut the cord and move on. Losing a major contributor (both in time, IP, and resources it seems) can be a serious blow to an open source project like this. Sometimes they are handled well, and others... not so. I think that the OOo -> LibreOffice split was sensible, and after seeing Vitagnoli at the Flourish! conference in Chicago last weekend, I understand better why he did what he did. I don't think that the mplayer -> mplayer2 split will work out quite so well, unfortunately.
            Oops! Wrong spelling. It should have been Vignoli, not Vitagnoli! Sorry Italo - my bad!

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            • #7
              How about some real journalism where you go out and ask questions of the developers of the projects you're calling bad forks before calling them bad forks?

              Is this really too much to ask?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mattst88 View Post
                How about some real journalism where you go out and ask questions of the developers of the projects you're calling bad forks before calling them bad forks?

                Is this really too much to ask?
                Well the article does not say "bad forks". It does mention "good forks" and mentions that the libav fork was done to abandon other developers. It is up to you to decide if that is a good thing or not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                  Well the article does not say "bad forks". It does mention "good forks" and mentions that the libav fork was done to abandon other developers. It is up to you to decide if that is a good thing or not.
                  I think the implication is rather obvious.

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                  • #10
                    Mplayer is very good despite its cmdline style that does not help noobs to discover this good software .
                    wish him to be back when all get cleared

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by loonyphoenix View Post
                      I think the implication is rather obvious.
                      False dichotomy. You are assuming that any fork that isn't clearly a good move therefore is clearly a bad move. You ignore the third possibility: we just can't tell at this point and with the information available whether the fork was good or bad. That is how I read that paragraph, and in fact it took me a few moments to figure out why people were talking about "bad forks" since it didn't occur to me to read it that way.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                        False dichotomy. You are assuming that any fork that isn't clearly a good move therefore is clearly a bad move. You ignore the third possibility: we just can't tell at this point and with the information available whether the fork was good or bad. That is how I read that paragraph, and in fact it took me a few moments to figure out why people were talking about "bad forks" since it didn't occur to me to read it that way.
                        It gave ME the impression that mplayer2 or libav were somehow blamed for the whole episode, otherwise why mention forks at all?

                        Of course, knowing Phoronix, one might deduce that those are simply pointless plugs of previous articles... which is confusing. If you're linking something, it has to do with the article in some fashion, IMHO.

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                        • #13
                          Shouldn't the FSF jump in and protect these guys?, they seem to be threatened, this is very bad for the project.
                          About the forking, the project might not be healthy, because developers can't really have fun while doing it, because they get menaces from big companies, so the project stalls(a bit at least) and there are some people who DO want to keep going, so they fork.
                          If no legal thread would happen, and people in there get to talk more, I think those forks wouldn't be needed.
                          So please FSF jump in and say something.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jcgeny View Post
                            Mplayer is very good despite its cmdline style that does not help noobs to discover this good software .
                            wish him to be back when all get cleared
                            There's great mplayer front end - SMPlayer.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by damipereira View Post
                              Shouldn't the FSF jump in and protect these guys?, they seem to be threatened, this is very bad for the project.
                              About the forking, the project might not be healthy, because developers can't really have fun while doing it, because they get menaces from big companies, so the project stalls(a bit at least) and there are some people who DO want to keep going, so they fork.
                              If no legal thread would happen, and people in there get to talk more, I think those forks wouldn't be needed.
                              So please FSF jump in and say something.
                              Do you really think FSF is reading this forum?

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