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  • Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    @ ThatGuy: I can't help but notice you complete lack of response to any of the specific arguments or data mendieta presented other than what amounts to "because I said so". Do you actually have a response to what mendieta said, or do you expect us to just take your word for it?
    True. Your post actually made me wonder, with all the astroturfing around:
    http://techrights.org/2009/03/12/mic...oturf-roundup/
    http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4....76E64FBA6.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

    It is really hard to tell if thatGuy is astroturfing, or a genuine MS fan, it is always better to give the benefit of the doubt. But look his/her posts:
    http://phoronix.com/forums/search.php?searchid=82059

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    • Some interesting thoughts on My-Symbian.com

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        • Originally posted by mendieta View Post
          The netbook market is another example. Linux was there first, when asus sold millions of linux devices (the early eeepc, that I bought). MS reacted by first giving away XP Licenses to the early adopters, and quickly bullying the hardware manufacturers:

          http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....90619161307529
          Could you please find a more credible source than a blog written by a paranoid delusional nutjob?

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          • Originally posted by mendieta View Post
            It is really hard to tell if thatGuy is astroturfing, or a genuine MS fan, it is always better to give the benefit of the doubt. But look his/her posts:
            http://phoronix.com/forums/search.php?searchid=82059
            If the guy is a shill, he's not a very good one for this job.

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            • Originally posted by yogi_berra View Post
              Could you please find a more credible source than a blog written by a paranoid delusional nutjob?
              Yes, a delusional nutjob. This explains why it is presented as a repectable source of news in Wikipedia, right:

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groklaw

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              • Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
                I just gotta tell you, the absolute Bs that comes out of linux users mouths is beyond annoying.

                Look I don't really care for microsoft, but at least there shit works as advertised.
                First of all: you sound very much like a troll.

                Secondly: The bit I highlighted sounds like its intended to mean "..as advertised, unlike GNU/Linux". A statement which is wrong, given that linux works precisely as it advertises itself. It claims to be user friendly. It is. It may not be perfectly learner friendly, but that hardly a little known detail.

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                • I was just thinking as meego is designed as a platform for intels chips. The OS is already ready for use. Maybe one reason for this plan change was intels failure to deliver on time.

                  This would make some sense especially given they failed to announce their change of plan to intel. They could have felt they had made a huge comitment to the meego project even sacrificing there own popular and fully usable maemo os. Delays by intel would have resulted in them losing ground to andriod and could have caused much animosity. If nokia could go back in time its resonable to think they would have just have stuck to maemo.

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                  • Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
                    Really good engineers are cocky bastards. They might not always be the most innovative, but they are cocky, the expect to be paid and at crunch time, they get shit done.
                    I can grantee you a real Master of software is a Master of Art and a Philosopher.

                    Do you really think a Slave (engineer) do have a skill in his mind like an Free-mind Master of Art or an Philosopher?

                    A engineer (Slave) can always be beaten by an real true free mind

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                    • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      I can grantee you a real Master of software is a Master of Art and a Philosopher.

                      Do you really think a Slave (engineer) do have a skill in his mind like an Free-mind Master of Art or an Philosopher?

                      A engineer (Slave) can always be beaten by an real true free mind
                      this philosophical issue.

                      while I have met talented people all my life, the ones that can accomplish are always the ones that aren't the top 0.05%. They are the top 0.07%. the people at the rung above them are just to disfunctional to ever accomplish much.

                      A good engineer regardless of occupation is someone who at the end of the day delivers a function reliable product.

                      Linux users don't seem to get that.

                      also to note freedom is a illusion.

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                      • Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                        @ ThatGuy: I can't help but notice you complete lack of response to any of the specific arguments or data mendieta presented other than what amounts to "because I said so". Do you actually have a response to what mendieta said, or do you expect us to just take your word for it?
                        I can find data all day to fight data, the problem is it doesn't always make good bussiness sense.

                        Microsoft like to make money period.

                        BTW don't confuse that with me being a MS fan, I am not. Its a solution I am stuck with.

                        Aside from that, you guys don't get it. but thats ok.

                        You have to watch what microsoft is doing in the back field to see where things are going. I fully expect them to nearly give away windows phone 7. they want a slice of the apple app store market.

                        this will essentially leave phone makers with 2 choices. Lots of support and coding cost for andriod " which is not free and is likely eating into the bottom line" or dropping andriod for a full featured ready to go OS that Ms handles the tech support and customer care on.

                        Mind you MS already has facilitys and man power to tackle this issue.

                        Ask your self this. Is it cost effective.

                        The answer isn't likely what you expect and that will be the determing factor in OEM adoption of windows phone 7.

                        that and ceo/cfo's choosing to reduce IT spending by having better integration.

                        I'd like to see a much more diverse economy in the operating system arena, but linux just isn't getting it done anywhere but servers" supercomputers don't really count, not enough of them to matter"

                        so its all about cost effectiveness.

                        wave goodbye to meego and andriod.

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                        • Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
                          this philosophical issue.

                          while I have met talented people all my life, the ones that can accomplish are always the ones that aren't the top 0.05%. They are the top 0.07%. the people at the rung above them are just to disfunctional to ever accomplish much.

                          A good engineer regardless of occupation is someone who at the end of the day delivers a function reliable product.

                          Linux users don't seem to get that.

                          also to note freedom is a illusion.
                          What? The punk rock guide to programming?

                          I take a dislike to this kind of philosophy where ever its applyed. Its as missinformed as it is absurd. The commitment to developing skill in any feild does not mean you have to lose something e.g. soul, design ethos, perspective, ability.
                          If someone lacks vision yet is highly skilled in another area they would still lack vision if they were completely unskilled.

                          Do you honestly think, once you get to this magical "0.07%" skill barrier, you have to avoid learning or somehow skill and knolledge will pure out of an other part of your brain?

                          I don't think all the best coders are great visionarys as many mediocre programmers arn't either. But this idea that learning can somehow have a negative effect on your abilities is a destructive and surprisingly popular meme that need eliminating.

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                          • @ Thatguy: Right, of course, that explains why Microsoft has been so successful with their smartphones up to this point. Oh, wait...

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                            • Don't feed the troll

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                              • Originally posted by psycho_driver View Post
                                The xbox360 would be a horrible failure if the customer base was smart enough not to accept shoddy electronic manufacturing standards.
                                The reason why the XBox360 is such a hit is probably not so much thanks to the end user, but to Microsofts love and care (most importantly the latter) for developers.

                                They develop easy-to-use tools, and create an environment where it is simply easier to focus on what to do, and how to get it done. This in comparison to Sony, who created horrible tools with a steep learning curve.
                                The Xbox devkit you can just plug into your computer and run all debugging through Visual Studio, just as if you're running it locally.
                                If you get the developers on your side, you're basically home free. Just look at Apple with their huge ecosystem.

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