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  • Originally posted by leif81 View Post
    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
    Btw, do people here actually care that much about phones? I mean, I still have a 2004 Siemens phone and am happy with it. All I need it to do is make phone calls and put notes in the organizer I never gave a crap about Android, Meego and whatever.
    I thought the same way until i bought an android phone. Now I'd be pretty much lost without it.
    Same here, so count me in. No stupid Winblow$ (because that's what they really mean when they're saying "PC") suites, no DRM crap along with all sorts of artificial restrictions of what I can do with my own goddamn phone. It's also very intuitive to use and even looks extremely sexy. Fuck yeah!

    Originally posted by madjr View Post
    dumb move from nokia to tie themselves to the loser platform.

    at least they could had done like samsung, which has android phones as their most popular phones ever
    That's right. Pretty much every SAMSUNG I've seen or used before I got my Spica sucked horribly.
    Maybe not hardware-wise, but their programming was definitely screwed up big time - just imagine having to deal with a flip with no external display, which has a nasty habbit of automatically answering calls as soon as you open it and that there's no way in hell you can change that. You end up either answering calls you don't wanna answer or missing calls you don't wanna miss. I systematically crawled the whole menu up and down at least a dozen times just to rule out any PEBKACs and haven't found anything even remotely resembling a way to disable this "feature". What kind of moron designs something like this? I guess only M$ and SAMSUNG.

    Originally posted by Adarion View Post
    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
    I don't have these nazi buttons. Razor does wonders in under 1 minute.
    Teheee. Another one who cracks out these things from the keyboards. Nasty obstacles they are, getting in your way. Better have 2 ctrl keys especially on laptops than these keys.
    It seems we're always on the same page, man. I'm making them into "CF" (see below) keys as they're used in many Compiz Fusion shortcuts.

    ./⁀/‿͝
    /⁔/

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    • Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
      I geuss you missed the part where they didn't try very hard on phones before. they are now. Given the capability of MS to achieve sucess, I'd say that the phone scape may change drastically.
      LOL.

      I guess you missed Windows CE 6.5.

      Oh, and your saying that Microsoft could have dominated the phone market because they weren't trying? What sort of idiotic business can't be bothered to make money?

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      • Originally posted by RealNC View Post
        Btw, do people here actually care that much about phones? I mean, I still have a 2004 Siemens phone and am happy with it. All I need it to do is make phone calls and put notes in the organizer I never gave a crap about Android, Meego and whatever.
        Well, smartphones usually have bigger screens than 'dumb' phones, and a virtual qwerty keyboard. So even if you use your phone only for calling/texting/calendar/notes a smartphone can make a world of difference in user experience. I'd hate the idea of getting back to a phone where I'd have to use the number keys 1-9 for text input.

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        • Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
          *Ring-ring*

          "Herro? Who dis?
          -"I LOOOOOOVE your company YEAH!!!!"
          "Excuse me? Who I talking to?
          -"Oh yes heeeeLLOOOO. It's Steeeeeve BAAAALLMEEEEEER. Whoohoo!"
          "..."
          -"From Microsoft!"
          "Oh herro! Me crueress CEO from Nokia, yes."
          -"Oh hi there. We would like to make a strategic bla bla bla"
          "Bra bra bra"
          -"So whadaya think?"
          "Ah, me CEO. Phones sares no good. You Microsoft. Big succesfur company, so business is good!"
          -"What a great day! We allmost thought Windows Mobile was doomed because of the total not-backwards-compatible rewrite we did 'cus it sucked so bad."
          "Great day yes. Nokia arr out doing Windows Mobire 7 now from big succesfur company. Must be good. Ba-bye!"

          *Facepalm*
          I don't think finnish people replace "l" with "r" when they speak English. They usually also have very good grammar. Just saying...

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          • Originally posted by Azpegath View Post
            I don't think finnish people replace "l" with "r" when they speak English. They usually also have very good grammar. Just saying...
            I thought the new Nokia CEO was Canadian. Don't think they are known to have any difficulties with the English language. Perhaps in the French speaking parts.

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            • Originally posted by yesterday View Post
              LOL.

              I guess you missed Windows CE 6.5.

              Oh, and your saying that Microsoft could have dominated the phone market because they weren't trying? What sort of idiotic business can't be bothered to make money?
              I think microsoft went and designed a proper OS while most companies were fighting out wether phones were going to be big bussiness.

              Lest you forget dos,windows of all version etc.

              they tend to do that. field a float see how the market is, then come in and kick ass.

              Lets be honest. Microsoft has the money to hire the best developers in the world and they routinely do.

              Plus I know of numerous people who hate there linux "andriod" phones.

              so go figure.

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              • Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
                I think microsoft went and designed a proper OS while most companies were fighting out wether phones were going to be big bussiness.

                Lest you forget dos,windows of all version etc.

                they tend to do that. field a float see how the market is, then come in and kick ass.

                Lets be honest. Microsoft has the money to hire the best developers in the world and they routinely do.

                Plus I know of numerous people who hate there linux "andriod" phones.

                so go figure.
                Comeback to kick Ass? With what? A non multi threading mobile OS ? Dont think so.....
                They rather tend to come in late and try to own what they missed! They make shit and try to have success with it, they dont care what thier customers want! Thats why they are the loosers..
                Nokia made a big mistake ..

                Back a few months ago i had to make a dessison, a n900 or a android phone (galaxy s )
                I wanted meegoo but i choosed android! It happly turns out it was the right one, now i can play with cyanogenmod 7 :-)

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                • Originally posted by Azpegath View Post
                  I don't think finnish people replace "l" with "r" when they speak English. They usually also have very good grammar. Just saying...
                  Ow 'scuse me for the insult. Dunno why I thought Nokia was Korean >.< Finnish people speak perfect English.

                  But when you make deals like that you are stupid to the max. Anyone knows that Micorost has been desperate to get into other markets than operating systems, and except for the Xbox360 they have failed horribly in everything they tried so far. I'm still seeing Windows dying sooner or later... If only because desktop sales have been declining for a loooong time in favor of laptops who are declining in favor of tablets and smartphones.

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                  • Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                    But when you make deals like that you are stupid to the max. Anyone knows that Micorost has been desperate to get into other markets than operating systems, and except for the Xbox360 they have failed horribly in everything they tried so far.
                    Well, except for mice, keyboards, other peripherals, computer games and application software.

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                    • Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                      Well, except for mice, keyboards, other peripherals, computer games and application software.
                      True true. On that notice, I have to recommend TypeMatrix keyboards to you guys. I bought one 4 years ago, another one for work a year later, and I'm very happy with them! Sounds like I work for them now, but I just want to spread the word, their bold design is great and I'd really like them to be rewarded for it.
                      Here's a link: http://www.typematrix.com

                      I'm writing dvorak on it, with a blank keyboard and see-through dvorak overlay (or actually svorak, the Swedish equivalent). Haven't looked back since the switch!

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                      • Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                        Anyone knows that Micorost has been desperate to get into other markets than operating systems, and except for the Xbox360 they have failed horribly in everything they tried so far.
                        The xbox360 would be a horrible failure if the customer base was smart enough not to accept shoddy electronic manufacturing standards.

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                        • Originally posted by Thatguy View Post
                          field a float see how the market is, then come in and kick ass.
                          Quite the opposite IMO. They grab the market with something crappy that kind of works, kill the competition with questionable (at least) practice, and then they start improving things. Android was early, here. They released an early version that kind of sucked and kind of worked, and took over 5% of the market, then they improved (android 2.2) it and jumped to 25% market share or something in six months.

                          The netbook market is another example. Linux was there first, when asus sold millions of linux devices (the early eeepc, that I bought). MS reacted by first giving away XP Licenses to the early adopters, and quickly bullying the hardware manufacturers:

                          http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....90619161307529

                          The difference between the netbook and phone markets, is that here the contender are heavy weight software companies (as opposed to Xandros in the early eeepc). They can't simply be pushed around.

                          And what was this bit about MS hiring the best engineers? Some of the best minds in the industry are quite entrepreneurial. That's why Google got ahead so quickly: they got a lot of these gems early, and nurtured them in an environment more reminiscent of the bazaar than the cathedral. This was covered in the media in Jan/Feb this year, see here:

                          http://www.bnet.com/blog/high-tech/w...-facebook/1335

                          And this is actually one of the alleged reasons for management shakeup at the top in Google a couple weeks ago.

                          Plus I know of numerous people who hate there linux "andriod" phones.
                          Most people I know have hated their windows computers for the last 15 years. Endured vuruses , crapware, and malware of all kinds. They are still Windows users.

                          Ironically, many Free Software advocates still embrace the "Don't release until it's ready" paradigm. Clearly, "Release early, release often" works a lot better on the field

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                          • Originally posted by jscurtu View Post
                            Comeback to kick Ass? With what? A non multi threading mobile OS ? Dont think so.....
                            They rather tend to come in late and try to own what they missed! They make shit and try to have success with it, they dont care what thier customers want! Thats why they are the loosers..
                            Nokia made a big mistake ..

                            Back a few months ago i had to make a dessison, a n900 or a android phone (galaxy s )
                            I wanted meegoo but i choosed android! It happly turns out it was the right one, now i can play with cyanogenmod 7 :-)

                            yes come back and kickass. did you know that you can play xbox games on a windows7 phone ?


                            http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-gad...es-mobile/3756


                            I can't confirm you diatribe about multithreading

                            http://www.worldtech24.com/phones/wi...multithreading


                            I just gotta tell you, the absolute Bs that comes out of linux users mouths is beyond annoying.

                            Look I don't really care for microsoft, but at least there shit works as advertised.

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                            • Originally posted by mendieta View Post
                              Quite the opposite IMO. They grab the market with something crappy that kind of works, kill the competition with questionable (at least) practice, and then they start improving things. Android was early, here. They released an early version that kind of sucked and kind of worked, and took over 5% of the market, then they improved (android 2.2) it and jumped to 25% market share or something in six months.

                              The netbook market is another example. Linux was there first, when asus sold millions of linux devices (the early eeepc, that I bought). MS reacted by first giving away XP Licenses to the early adopters, and quickly bullying the hardware manufacturers:

                              http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic....90619161307529

                              The difference between the netbook and phone markets, is that here the contender are heavy weight software companies (as opposed to Xandros in the early eeepc). They can't simply be pushed around.

                              And what was this bit about MS hiring the best engineers? Some of the best minds in the industry are quite entrepreneurial. That's why Google got ahead so quickly: they got a lot of these gems early, and nurtured them in an environment more reminiscent of the bazaar than the cathedral. This was covered in the media in Jan/Feb this year, see here:

                              http://www.bnet.com/blog/high-tech/w...-facebook/1335

                              And this is actually one of the alleged reasons for management shakeup at the top in Google a couple weeks ago.



                              Most people I know have hated their windows computers for the last 15 years. Endured vuruses , crapware, and malware of all kinds. They are still Windows users.

                              Ironically, many Free Software advocates still embrace the "Don't release until it's ready" paradigm. Clearly, "Release early, release often" works a lot better on the field

                              your living in a fantasy world. If linux had the same market share as windows, there would be so much stuff written for it, it'd boggle your mid.

                              Microsoft does hire the best engineers and pays them accordingly.

                              Let me tell you something you might not understnad. Really good engineers are cocky bastards. They might not always be the most innovative, but they are cocky, the expect to be paid and at crunch time, they get shit done.

                              Nothing google does impress's me.

                              NOTHING

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                              • @ ThatGuy: I can't help but notice you complete lack of response to any of the specific arguments or data mendieta presented other than what amounts to "because I said so". Do you actually have a response to what mendieta said, or do you expect us to just take your word for it?

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