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  • #61
    Originally posted by leeyee View Post
    Two losers hardly make a winner. It's a sad news for Nokia to decide cooperate with Microsoft on cellphone platform, given the fact that Windows-like cellphone OS never succeeded before. It's not saying they 100% won't, but at least it lacks hopes at the first glance.

    In a word, it's definitely not a so-called strategic approach.
    Exactly...whatever MS touches turns to crap, to put it bluntly

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Adarion View Post
      My prophecy came true. 2 weeks ago I said "OMG, Elop being an MS manager is probably just installed by MS to get things working there - for MS. Uhoh, hopefully that will not harm MeeGo and Qt."

      And what did I read today on German heise.de and now here on Phoronix? G'dahmit!
      I HATE Elop. And this is the beginning of the end for Nokia. Get in bed with MS and you won't see the next sunrise!
      that's a bit dramatic dont you think!, from a new CEO POV you cant really say he's shaken the tree.

      other than loosing the only member of the Group Executive Board being given the boot is Alberto Torres, the head of MeeGo and Mobile Solutions, and promoted four existing Nokia executives to the top team, business as usual it seems.

      OC Canadian Elop (also previously a Group Executive Board member) is now has the CEO top chair and so has an even better chance to help his MS bug's work with those ARM contacts in the lower value almost white box markets too, along side the top tear handset markets Nokia want to sell into the US and elsewhere...

      not forgetting to buy up those cheap Nokia and related outsourced companies lower valued shares now and make even more profit later when they rise again on news that MS will release Windows 8 earlier than expected for the ARM markets or whatever...

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      • #63
        I'm not really surprised, I never had the illusion that Meego was going anywhere. Kind of hard to compete with the strong presence of Android in the mobile market. It will even be a tough job for Microsoft. As for the future of Qt, I think now is a great opportunity for the Qt dev community to take over control of Qt. Oh wait, what community

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        • #64



          they released a concept win7 phone render which looks good

          i would prefer it if they have made something like that OS agnostic (ie boot win7, meego android or whatever)

          pic from engadget

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          • #65
            Originally posted by 89c51 View Post



            they released a concept win7 phone render which looks good
            Looks just like most of the other smartphones to me: rectangle shape, with touchscreen covering most of the front.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by monraaf View Post
              Looks just like most of the other smartphones to me: rectangle shape, with touchscreen covering most of the front.
              But these have Windows buttons!

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              • #67
                Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                i would prefer it if they have made something like that OS agnostic (ie boot win7, meego android or whatever)

                Microsoft is preinstalled and only since CP/M DOS 1.0 clone edition.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by myxal View Post
                  But these have Windows buttons!
                  I don't have these nazi buttons. Razor does wonders in under 1 minute.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                    Looks just like most of the other smartphones to me: rectangle shape, with touchscreen covering most of the front.


                    Its the details that matter in products that have certain functions. ie compare laptops or cars or whatever. Some are ugly some are pretty.

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                    • #70
                      http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2011/02...nity-to-learn/

                      Nokia’s official line today is that MeeGo, the smartphone operating system it’s been developing with Intel, isn’t dead, and that at least one MeeGo device is coming this year. But we’re getting some mixed signals from Nokia’s CEO Stephen Elop at its Capital Markets Day event in London today.

                      When asked if a MeeGo Phone would simply then be a handset “orphaned at birth” by a journalist, Elop replied: “if in fact something is dead, then it’s not worth shipping”. MeeGo’s future appears to be very much up in the air still.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                        I'm not really surprised, I never had the illusion that Meego was going anywhere. Kind of hard to compete with the strong presence of Android in the mobile market. It will even be a tough job for Microsoft. As for the future of Qt, I think now is a great opportunity for the Qt dev community to take over control of Qt. Oh wait, what community
                        its a bit LOL and a little odd when you find Intel the bulk innovator in OSS today and AMD the new OSS phoronix user darling as the only real members of the Meego consortium , and with Intel publicly defending meego
                        http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2...ifts-strategy/
                        "It's safe to say we're disappointed with their decision," she said. "But we view MeeGo as more than just an operating system for phones."

                        "The company has said it views its quest to be in smartphones as a marathon, not a sprint and that it will ultimately be successful in the mobile market."

                        "You will see a phone with Intel silicon inside this year," Ramirez said Friday. She declined to comment on what operating system the smartphone powered with Intel chips will use."

                        and nothing so far from AMD that i can find...and yet it's known that AMD do want/need something to help them in the growing ARM mobile space, even if they dont have anything of value to date for use in that massive market yet.



                        if it wasn't evident to you before it should be now, replace nokia/MS with linux/OSS and you need to find ways to re-enforce you're Ecosystem

                        http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...t/?sf1066305=1
                        "Today, the battle is moving from one of mobile devices to one of mobile ecosystems, and our strengths here are complementary. Ecosystems thrive when they reach scale, when they are fueled by energy and innovation and when they provide benefits and value to each person or company who participates. This is what we are creating; this is our vision; this is the work we are driving from this day forward.

                        There are other mobile ecosystems. We will disrupt them.

                        There will be challenges. We will overcome them.

                        Success requires speed. We will be swift.

                        Together, we see the opportunity, and we have the will, the resources and the drive to succeed."

                        indeed not only the current linux/OSS Ecosystem if you consider there is such a thing, stop, remove the blinkers and realise that if you try and find a way to work together collectively 'right now' there's a big chance here to make ARM Linux and app's Ecosystem the new default standard, rather than sit back and let these corporations take that new profit Ecosystem away from you any day now and so loose that core Linux [ARM] ROI

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                        • #72
                          Sad day

                          This is a very sad day for Nokia, and even Qt, Linux and Finland. A lot of good open-source ideas and developers are now thrown out with the bathwater. While Nokia has been messing up for years, becoming a Microsoft slave and seeing its stock price crash is rather painful. I don't believe Nokia can set themselves apart with Microsoft's interface, and we all know that most companies that went in bed with Microsoft come out screwed pretty badly. The writing was on the wall though, considering the Microsoft shill that took over as CEO... I don't understand why they didn't put more serious effort behind Linux and Meego instead of years of standing by passively and waiting out where the market was headed. They could have kick-started "Android" before Google, if they had only played their cards right and believed in their own products.

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                          • #73
                            Basically MeeGo is years too late. Even WebOS is very late. Now Android is dominating after Apple iOS. In order to sell smartphones they need to run something that customers want to buy. One idea would have been Android, but they seem to hate Google more than MS MS windows smart phones are are certainly less interesting than Android, but certainly more interesting than WebOS/MeeGo. So they want just to make money until MeeGo is ready... Most likely MS will pay a part of the development of new phones which Google would not do as they already have got other hardware partners. If they still can not compete against Android then they will have to change soon again the direction. It is really hard to sell MeeGo when there are basically no 3rd party apps compared to iOS/Android/WP7.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Kano View Post
                              Basically MeeGo is years too late. Even WebOS is very late. Now Android is dominating after Apple iOS. In order to sell smartphones they need to run something that customers want to buy. One idea would have been Android, but they seem to hate Google more than MS MS windows smart phones are are certainly less interesting than Android, but certainly more interesting than WebOS/MeeGo. So they want just to make money until MeeGo is ready... Most likely MS will pay a part of the development of new phones which Google would not do as they already have got other hardware partners. If they still can not compete against Android then they will have to change soon again the direction. It is really hard to sell MeeGo when there are basically no 3rd party apps compared to iOS/Android/WP7.
                              I wonder if intels prefrence for meego over android is more to do with meego apps taking advantage of their chips rather than being in java and sharing market directly with equaly compatable arm chips. (A scary idea for them)

                              I would have thought nokia could sell meego. Apps would be ported over fast and they are currently selling sybian which is awful. There's a market for the latest cuting edge OS and people are used to switching phones. Meego could have been sold as the next great thing. It had enough big backing with names like intel, amd and nokia not to mention some geeky, non linux users would have liked its linuxyness as much as us.

                              It could still shine and on seeing that nokia could switch back to meego, but their scared (and there share holders). Its a new product that could flop and microsoft are probably pay big cash to use their product right now.

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                              • #75
                                "Then you marketed it wrong"

                                Originally posted by Kano View Post
                                Basically MeeGo is years too late. Even WebOS is very late. Now Android is dominating after Apple iOS. In order to sell smartphones they need to run something that customers want to buy. One idea would have been Android, but they seem to hate Google more than MS MS windows smart phones are are certainly less interesting than Android, but certainly more interesting than WebOS/MeeGo. So they want just to make money until MeeGo is ready... Most likely MS will pay a part of the development of new phones which Google would not do as they already have got other hardware partners. If they still can not compete against Android then they will have to change soon again the direction. It is really hard to sell MeeGo when there are basically no 3rd party apps compared to iOS/Android/WP7.
                                Meego, maybe, but they could have perfectly sold Maemo. In any case, there are plenty of apps for Maemo - it's basicly Debian. An N900 runs Quake 3 ffs, why would you complain about lack of apps?

                                Look at the hardware design for that Windows phone. It's pretty damn pretty. Apart from the Winlogo and the software it's running. Would that thing be running Android, it would have surely gained some market share.

                                Would it be running Maemo and be marketed properly it could have been a hit and be another player together with iOS and Android, possibly becoming bigger than iOS or Android, or in the long run, both. If they would have.

                                But they didn't.

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