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    Phoronix: Ubuntu Finds New Love With Qt

    Mark Shuttleworth has announced today on his blog that as part of Ubuntu 11.10 they are looking at expanding their support for the Qt tool-kit. They are looking at now including the Qt libraries as part of their default Ubuntu installation and to include worth while Qt applications...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTAyNQ

  • #2
    cant say i disagree.
    qt normally fits better into a gtk environment than the other way around.

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    • #3
      I think this is great news. I hope this will spark users to be less polarized about GUI toolkits in the future.

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      • #4
        My only comment here is that including the qt-core and qt-gui libs on the Live CD will be difficult to impossible, without culling more built-in applications. They really need to retire the Live CD concept entirely and go with a Live DVD clocking in around 2GB -- large enough to ship Qt, Gtk, OpenOffice, Gimp, and a whole slew of useful software, but without being so painfully bloated as to just barely fit on a DVD. The bandwidth required to push copies of a full 4.7GB DVD is, after all, more than twice that required for a 2GB DVD image. It's a compromise: goodbye CD-R* media, without killing everyone's capped internet connections too badly.

        As libraries, the kernel, and the base system continue to get larger and more complex, it's becoming harder and harder to meet that 700 MB target. For people who refuse to buy a $20 DVD-RW drive, I say point them to Lubuntu or Xubuntu, which will continue to ship primarily GTK apps based on their respective slimmed-down desktop environments, so I expect these two distros will be able to ship under 700 MB easily for quite some time.

        It's time that the flagship product of "Ubuntu" starts to offer a more robust out of the box install, without sacrificing kernel headers, gcc, or any of the other big bits that people repeatedly want to put on the chopping block. I'm all for Qt by default, but not if it means cutting out more stuff that's been in previous releases. The CD-RW is dead; all hail the DVD-RW!

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        • #5
          The whole of Qt is not more than about 40MB. And for only QtCore and QtGUI, it's less than 15MB.

          I don't think that warrants a 2GB ISO

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          • #6
            That's all nice, Qt fanboys now rejoice, now let's solve some real Linux problems.

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            • #7
              Glad the taboo (the shipping of qt libraries with the default gnome setup) has been lifted. Common sense finally prevailed. One stubborn (and stupid) policy less in Ubuntu, hopefully more of them are on the way out.

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              • #8
                For some reason -and i cannot explain it- i get the feeling that GTK is declining

                Qt seems to have more support from big companies and gaining momentum.

                Might be wrong though.

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                • #9
                  I'm surprised that they didn't install them by default. Many popular apps use Qt, including VLC, SMPlayer and Skype. Of course, all KDE apps too, but that's a few extra libraries still.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                    For some reason -and i cannot explain it- i get the feeling that GTK is declining

                    Qt seems to have more support from big companies and gaining momentum.

                    Might be wrong though.
                    I don't think so.

                    But the rise of MeeGo will make Qt much more relevant in the future.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by allquixotic View Post
                      My only comment here is that including the qt-core and qt-gui libs on the Live CD will be difficult to impossible...
                      Replace tomboy with gnote and throw away gbrainy and the mono runtime and all its dependencies. There, space problem pretty much solved.

                      ps: Those (few) who think they absolutely need tomboy and can't live with gnote can install it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                        For some reason -and i cannot explain it- i get the feeling that GTK is declining

                        Qt seems to have more support from big companies and gaining momentum.

                        Might be wrong though.
                        One of the reasons for GTK's adoption was because people were scared of Qt's longterm licensing. Now that Qt is available as LGPL I think it has quelled some people's fears. In addition, I honestly think Qt is a far more complete toolkit thanks to its corporate backing, not to mention easier to develop with in my opinion.

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                        • #13
                          I don't understand why people think that either GTK or Qt have to die.

                          They are both decent toolkits, and they have their developer bases.

                          Neither Windows nor Mac have just one toolkit, so why should Linux, where choice is revered?

                          A couple of high-quality themes which apply to both will solve the visual discrepancies, and then you're set.

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                          • #14
                            I've found the CD size distribution always a plus point, and am not particularly fond of this mixing of different toolkits. Keep in mind that this is not just CD/disk space we're talking about, but the extra toolkit libraries also need to be loaded in memory when running applications using these toolkits. May not be an issue on modern desktop systems, but might be on low end netbooks.

                            But the bigger issue for me is consistency, one thing I have always liked about GNOME is the minimalistic UI that doesn't get in the way. Developers of Qt apps on the other hand seem to more follow the Microsoft Windows philosophy, with cluttered UIs and too many options.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                              I don't understand why people think that either GTK or Qt have to die.
                              Well, at least Gtk 2.x has to die. It looks like ass on anything but Gtk-based DEs. Every time I fire up a Gtk app on KDE, I want to kill a bunny and curse at God for allowing people to create such monstrosities. Hopefully Gtk 3 solved that?

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