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  • Are Linux Drivers Rubbish & Is Linux Ready For Steam?

    Phoronix: Are Linux Drivers Rubbish & Is Linux Ready For Steam?

    If you are looking for some lively forum threads to end out your weekend or some reading material as you enter the office on Monday, there's two particularly active forum threads this weekend. One thread begs that Linux is not ready for Steam (not the other way around) and the second thread is making claims that Linux drivers are rubbish...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODMyMg

  • #2
    Originally posted by darkphoenix22 View Post
    I think Valve should wait a year before porting Steam. The multimedia and audio frameworks and APIs on Linux are currently a mess. The APIs and frameworks need to be stablized before any sort of large scale professional game development can begin on Linux.

    http://braid-game.com/news/?p=364

    If Value ports Steam to Linux in its current state, I'm afraid it will become unprofitable and they'll quickly abandon it. If that happened, there would be virtually no professional Linux games for years.

    Linux needs to be ready before we fall under the spotlight.
    In the words of a great man:

    Originally posted by Donald Rumsfield
    As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.

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    • #3
      Canonical needs to remove applications that use non-PulseAudio/libCanberra/OpenAL subsystems from the software center to remove the ambiguity for developers. My audio works fine.

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      • #4
        Not finnished != rubbish

        Just sayin'...

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        • #5
          Article sounds a little harsh to me

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          • #6
            Typical inflammatory headlines meant to drive views. I think this is about the last time I will come here.

            Anyone making the argument that Linux needs to be "perfect" when used with all hardware has never played games under Windows.

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            • #7
              And FTR: I own 25 Steam games, and 24 of them work fine under Wine. The idea that native implementations would fair worse is ridiculous.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 3vi1 View Post
                Typical inflammatory headlines meant to drive views. I think this is about the last time I will come here.
                I think it is more like "Hey we don't have an article for you to read on the beginning of an office day, but here's an interesting-, heated-, flame/troll-ready thread in which you can get your game on" xD

                But then again sad indeed. I'd rather a few realy good quality articles than quantity articles...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 3vi1 View Post
                  Typical inflammatory headlines meant to drive views. I think this is about the last time I will come here.

                  Anyone making the argument that Linux needs to be "perfect" when used with all hardware has never played games under Windows.
                  Yeah! Windows is the biggest mess in the computer science world, for sure!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ethana2 View Post
                    Canonical needs to remove applications that use non-PulseAudio/libCanberra/OpenAL subsystems from the software center to remove the ambiguity for developers. My audio works fine.
                    I hope they will rather remove Pulse Audio applications, because afaik it slows games down.

                    @3vi1

                    Typical inflammatory headlines meant to drive views. I think this is about the last time I will come here.
                    Well said. Since some time Phoronix is posting FUD mainly. At first they were claiming Steam is coming to Linux and now, they stab Linux in the back asking if it's ready for Steam.

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                    • #11
                      If ATI drivers are rubbish I'm sure Steam coming to linux will make some changes in AMD's thinking.

                      Also waiting for a less messy multimedia and audio api is nonsense. Because we might never have one. The best thing to do is to use what we have to its limits. I'm not sure why STEAM would need multimedia apis (or what is a multimedia api? it seems too vague) but for video we have gstreamer which is a freedesktop standard and it has a clean codebase. For audio we have PulseAudio which seems to work ok for a while now.

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                      • #12
                        My vote would be for OpenAL. It's very cross-platform, works well for other games and plays nicely with the other APIs. I even use it for MPlayer because native ALSA doesn't support 5.0 surround.

                        As for Catalyst, who cares? I'm never touching that piece of crap again. The open drivers may need speeding up but they will get there eventually.

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                        • #13
                          Wow, now Michael actively feeds the trolls to get some page-hits. Disgusting.

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                          • #14
                            Posting forum chat as news is a double-edged sword.

                            As long as you keep tact, and stay coherent on what gets posted, I think it will be an improvement.

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                            • #15
                              Though I remain dubious about the prospects of steam coming to linux, keeping healthy discussion going can be a good thing. The "article" (for lack of a better word) is quite good in that aspect.
                              My 2c on both topics: I don't actually have many issues with fglrx (or nvidia) at current - so long as people use the distro method of installing both! I stuffed up something a while back, and now have to use ati's installer instead of a proper ebuild, at least until I stop being lazy and find what I broke, but hey that's all my own fault.
                              Can't say much about the audio system, but never really had a problem with it. That may change in a few months when I plan on looking into OpenAL.

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