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  • Reiser4 May Go For Mainline Inclusion In 2010

    Phoronix: Reiser4 May Go For Mainline Inclusion In 2010

    The Reiser4 file-system has been around since 2004 but has not reached a point of being close to be included in the mainline Linux kernel, especially after the lead developer, Hans Reiser, was convicted of murdering his wife. Development of Reiser4 has continued on, albeit with a very limited number of developers, and not nearly at the brisk pace of Btrfs or with great interest by corporate parties...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzY4OQ

  • #2
    Can the name somehow get changed, seems in appropriate to have a name of a file system after a convicted murder. It would be nice to honour the woman killed by this asshole and name it after Reiser's deceased wife

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DarkCloud View Post
      name it after Reiser's deceased wife
      coincidentally, her name was Reiser too. (duh!)

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      • #4
        She did take his name when she married him so that would name it...uhhh....Reiser?! (I'm thinking you probably were thinking maiden name and Sharanova would make an interesting name for an FS)

        But hey, there are plenty of things named after people much worse than him. One thing off the top of my head is Columbus Day. I'm sure the other bright sparks here could name a few. (Still too early for me)

        I personally don't care what it's called. If it's good (and outlook is positive) and included in the kernel, I will use it.

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        • #5
          Beyond the name of this filesystem, I guess that the main challenge is to maintain the code along kernel updates even if than being able of hitting the kernel is already a challenge.

          Therefore, who will take the risk to switch to Reiser4 if there is not many people to maintain it ?!? (just guessing though, as I'm no dev at all).

          Wouldn't it be more usefull that the people involved in Reiser4 could involve themselves in btrfs instead (and including all the Reiser4 code that can be included in btrfs or ext4) ??

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Fixxer_Linux View Post
            Wouldn't it be more usefull that the people involved in Reiser4 could involve themselves in btrfs instead (and including all the Reiser4 code that can be included in btrfs or ext4) ??
            It doesn't really work that way with software projects in general, let alone filesystems. Typically, the reason there's more than one project in the first place is that there's more than one idea about how things should be done.

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            • #7
              1st
              Whoa. Hell finally froze over. Right?
              Can't believe it. How old is Reiser4 now?
              Anyway good to hear that this much praised and perfomant FS will finally enter the Kernel.

              2nd
              Who wants to throw the first stone? Do you folks here really know all the details what happened in the Reiser case? Does anybody know the truth? No?
              Then don't throw your stones.
              It's a longer story between both of them as far as I see it.
              So a rename might be okay but then it should be free of any Reisers. No Hans or Nina. Maybe give it just a neutral name.

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              • #8
                I hereby call it, "Atomic File System". Notify the rest of the Linux world.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Adarion View Post
                  Do you folks here really know all the details what happened in the Reiser case?
                  1. He was convicted. 2. He confessed. 3. He led authorities to the body. But I'm sure he didn't do anything after all I don't know what color of socks he had on.

                  I think we know enough. I don't want to know any more details. The sick fuck head killed his wife and no matter how much of a genius file system hero he may be to some I really think people need to come to grips with reality. Stop going to conspiracy sites. Mankind did walk on the moon, 9/11 wasn't carried out by the CIA, and Hans Riser did kill his wife. Get over it.

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                  • #10
                    definitely great news !

                    kudos to Edward and the other developers that drive forward this great filesystem

                    there are some fundamentals / great ideas that got implemented in Reiser4:

                    thus some proposals for a name:

                    * dancing (tree) filesystem
                    * atomic filesystem
                    * linux fibration filesystem
                    * tailpacking filesystem2
                    * ...

                    IMO main advantages are:

                    - dancing trees / "trees that cache well"
                    - transparent compression
                    - efficiency with small and lots of files
                    - performance / parallelism
                    - easy on hardware (especially harddrives) - compare it with ext3 or xfs and you'll notice that harddrives work much quieter (they don't "trash" that much / don't seem to have to move their heads that often)
                    - and other nice functionality -> read the code

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
                      I think we know enough. I don't want to know any more details. The sick fuck head killed his wife and no matter how much of a genius file system hero he may be to some I really think people need to come to grips with reality. Stop going to conspiracy sites. Mankind did walk on the moon, 9/11 wasn't carried out by the CIA, and Hans Riser did kill his wife. Get over it.
                      It's obvious... you know a lot and you have proofs...

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                      • #12
                        A year ago I thought I could be agnostic in the case of Reiser4. After having read http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/200...iser-guilty-o/ I no longer can:

                        After the jury left, judge Goodman summed up his opinion of Reiser.

                        "You are rude," he said. "You are arrogant. There are not enough words in the English language to describe the way you are."

                        But the jurors found a word on Monday: guilty.
                        Besides, his buddy was a convicted serial killer named Sean Sturgeon and was not allowed to testify! That sicko was the first sicko's sick wife's lover, no less... What a loathsome pile of ****.

                        Please, remove the name from all documentation surrounding that file system. That wife appears to have been a sicko too... I loath the very name Reiser.

                        Call it Gollum or something.
                        Last edited by sabriah; 11-10-2009, 04:13 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jimmy View Post
                          ...
                          I didn't say he did not kill her. I say that there was a story before that lead to the slaying. He didn't kill her out of the blue. It may not justify the killing but I guess all that divorcement and the things that came with it or were before (ex friend being in "conspiracy" with his ex wife working against him and so on) brought him into wrath. Yes, and maybe he was a hothead also before which made him easily fall prey to his feelings. I just want to say that in these cases of murder there are always 2 sides or more, not just one side to consider.
                          And for his part he went to jail for about 15 years. So guilty he is, he finally admitted, but afair it is a murder 2nd degree. Still a murder but surely he didn't do it for fun.


                          not the topic of discussion but...
                          9-11
                          Ah. And the Sep 11 was such a foul thing. Leaves open too many questions. The heat melted the building's steel support but they found the fricken papers(!) of identity half an hour later?
                          Ever seen any parts of a plane in the pentagon? Ever seen a plane create such a perfect cut in the building? Why was all the evidence vanished without anyone from outsides having a look at it and all steel wastes brought somewhere to Asia to melt it in just days later? Somebody not wanting to see the world more than the official versions?
                          How could a plane ever make its way into such guarded areas?
                          Why the hell did 2 buildings crash down so perfectly that a professional demolisher could not have done better?
                          All that strange war with the wrong country with these weapons of mass destruction, never found, but a lot of oil? Oops.

                          Strange, huh? So maybe there was a lot more behind it than just some angry young arab/muslim men.
                          To quote you: Get over it. Obviously the Bush administration (and the people behind him, weapons industry lobby e.g.) f*cked their own US citizens very tightly. (Surely Obama is not the Messias but I hope for things to improve.)

                          Not inteded to create a flamewar though.

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                          • #14
                            Can we please stop talking about Reiser himself and focus on the file system?

                            I doubt that Reiser4 will ever be a part of the vanilla kernel. The developers already proved on ReiserFS 3.x that they don't care about maintenance afterwards and critical issues (like the Big Kernel Lock) may only be fixed *years* after.

                            Reiser4 may have some nice features, but they also introduce an immense amount of complexity, which is bad. It may not be possible to mount an existing filesystem on a different machine because of non-matching plug-in installations. And I think it is better to implement many things (encryption, compression etc.) in a filesystem-agnostic way (dm-raid, dm-crypt, eCryptFS etc.). I want to be able to change to a different filesystem in the future without losing the features.

                            This has also been the tenor of most kernel developers who denied Reiser4 inclusion over the last six years. Jeff Garzik had a long discussion with Hans Reiser back then (http://kerneltrap.org/node/5330), and none of the patches sent for Reiser4 in the last years adressed any of this.

                            Some features in Reiser4, like efficient storage of small files and optimized access patterns for hard drives, are present in available Linux filesystems and are even becoming quite unimportant - simple Netbooks come with >30 GB storage nowadays and SSDs do not care about read/write ordering.

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                            • #15
                              Yeah your right, it's just like the foul thing they did with the Titanic...

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