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  • As It Stands, Ubuntu Has No Issues With Mono

    Phoronix: As It Stands, Ubuntu Has No Issues With Mono

    On behalf of Canonical and the Ubuntu Technical Board, Scott James Remnant has issued a position statement surrounding Mono, the open-source project that provides a C# compiler for Linux (along with other operating systems) and other components for a free software .NET stack. However, the legality of Mono is frequently a key concern to free software advocates considering patents and other intellectual property that's owned by Microsoft...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzM1Nw

  • #2
    M$ is going to use anything it can to hurt Linux.

    When Mono projects are vital parts of Linux, they start the trouble.

    Just wait.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Louise View Post
      M$ is going to use anything it can to hurt Linux.

      When Mono projects are vital parts of Linux, they start the trouble.

      Just wait.
      You are right, why should they make trouble now if the can wait and make it when more people use it.

      Hopeful Mono will never be a important piece of linux.

      What I don't understand, why did Debian include Tomboy (which requires Mono) into the default desktop install http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2009/0...fault-install/, if they can use the same app, Gnomte in C++ without Mono?

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      • #4
        I think this is a foolish move by Canonical.
        Time will tell I guess.

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        • #5
          Yes, Mono will be a very powerful weapon against Linux. In fact M$ are in complete control.

          I hope Red Hat make a statement about Mono. They are always very careful, and don't include anything with a potential patent or license issue.

          What is Gnome and KDE's take on Mono? Do they have Mono programs in their suites?

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          • #6
            I read somewhere that Gnome choose some Mono programs to be included in there desktop.

            I don't know any KDE apps that uses Mono!

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            • #7
              If I'm correct, there are (among others, of course) C# bindings for the kdelibs, but that's where it stops. Luckily.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KDesk View Post
                I read somewhere that Gnome choose some Mono programs to be included in there desktop.
                It is

                http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven/Bindings/

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                • #9
                  I thought most of the .net stack was opened after standardization. Also, I don't think the software patents microsoft holds on .net will stand up in court, at least in most of europe. Might be wrong there though, but I thought europe at least is far more strict when it come to software patents

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                  • #10
                    As far as I know, Mono is not used for any common KDE programs. Most of them seem to be written in either C++ or a scripting language like Python. I think it should stay that way. I can see the day (quite easily) when Micro$h!t destroys GNOME because of all the Mono they plan to include. KDE is being smart, as always, and not including it.

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                    • #11
                      I don't see enough benefit over Java with C# and Mono to make it worth the risk.

                      At least Java has something resembling a diverse community of interests moving it forward, rather than just the limited interests of one company.

                      Sun provides Java under the GPL themselves, directly licensing any patents they (the creators) have over the technology. Novell may also ship their Mono implementation under the GPL, but not being the creators of the technology, they can't give a license to patents they don't own!

                      It's also worth mentioning that neither the ECMA nor ISO (through which .NET was standardized) require any patent disclosure (let alone a libre grant) on a submission being standardized!

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                      • #12
                        While not an ubuntu user, I masked mono in gentoo. It microsoft, and evil company with a horrible track record. I'll never have mono.

                        matt

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                        • #13
                          Bad decision in my opinion. I really like Ubuntu, so I hope they don't get screwed over because of their shortsightedness.

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                          • #14
                            I can't help but wonder, doesn't this at least slightly go against Bug #1
                            https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 of Ubuntu?

                            I know Shuttleworth even mentioned it a few times, saying that it's one of the reasons he created Ubuntu.

                            Even though it's an "open" spec and what not, you can't argue that MS will have their dirty little finger in it at some point and screw us over somehow. If you sincerely think that would not happen, I can only say one would be extremely naive.

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                            • #15
                              Here we go again - why Mono doesn't suck.

                              I, for one, am happy to see Ubuntu take such a level-headed stance. Tomboy, Gnome-Do, Banshee, F-Spot are the best applications in their respective kinds, bar none. These applications use the ECMA parts of .Net and Linux-specific APIs - they don't bring in any Microsoft dependencies! (Windows.Forms etc)

                              It is idiotic to avoid Mono over this kind of nebulous FUD. If you are afraid of Mono, why are you even using the Linux kernel? Microsoft has threatened that Linux steps on its patents, boo!

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