Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Creative Gives In, They Open-Source Their X-Fi Driver

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    Originally posted by mycroes View Post
    It's good to see yet another company open source a driver. I think the phoronix article doesn't really make clear how important it is for users to have open source drivers, and thus how good it is of creative to have open sourced this one.

    Just today I was looking at X58 motherboards, when I came upon the MSI Eclipse SLI. That really seems to be an amazing motherboard, and it comes with an X-Fi on-board. It does use a card for the connectors (looks like PCIe-x1), but it seemed like the chip was on the motherboard itself. I was thinking about what a waste it would be to buy it just because of the soundcard. I also tend to forget that I don't really need a sound-card, because I have Logitech Z-10 speakers which are connected via USB. However in the future I might need a second sound output (doesn't really matter how, just that I can control it seperately) and I don't like having unsupported hardware at all, so this is definately a good thing...
    Regards,

    Michael
    As I understand it, the "X-Fi" sound that comes with some motherboards isn't really an X-Fi at all - it's just a cheap, dumb integrated sound solution, with all the 3D support and processing done by software running on the computer. (Apparently, at least a couple of the standalone X-Fi cards - the Extreme Audio and Extreme Audio Notebook - are basically the same, which means they have Linux support but offer no real advantage to Linux users over onboard sound.)

    Comment


    • #17
      Nvidia?

      Originally posted by ethana2 View Post
      Creative was the Largest Hold-out Hardware Vendor until this announcement, who will take their place?
      I think nvidia will, and already has... nvidia has a history of creating binary drivers, often very incompatible. Other than nvidia I think we'll have to focus on motherboard manufacturers. For example gigabyte has some nice stuff that only works in windows (some powersaving led feature has been mentioned on phoronix iirc, I also have it but my case is closed for about 99.99% of the time). Also Apple has a way of not supporting stuff in Linux, like the iPhone or iPod Touch. Ever since I stepped away from my Mac Mini I have only synced my iPod Touch once, and just for music.

      Comment


      • #18
        Originally posted by makomk View Post
        As I understand it, the "X-Fi" sound that comes with some motherboards isn't really an X-Fi at all - it's just a cheap, dumb integrated sound solution, with all the 3D support and processing done by software running on the computer.
        I could be entirely wrong on this (and I'm certainly not an expert in this area), but I thought I read something about the card on the MSI Eclipse SLI being one of the real hardware ones, and especially not a software card. I could of course be wrong, so if I'm going to buy anything with a creative card on it I now know to double check the capabilities.

        Comment


        • #19
          LOL they better change the download page.

          http://support.creative.com/download...wnloadId=10792

          Notice the Nice EULA

          CREATIVE END-USER SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (for Web Software)
          Version 2.9, September 2006
          PLEASE READ THIS DOCUMENT CAREFULLY. YOU HAVE AGREED TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT BEFORE DOWNLOADING THE SOFTWARE FROM THE INTERNET.
          LICENSE
          Grant of License
          The Software is licensed, not sold, to you for use only under the terms of this Agreement. This License Agreement is your proof of license to exercise the rights granted herein and must be retained by you. As between you and Creative (and, to the extent applicable, its licensors), Creative retains all title to and ownership of the Software and reserves all rights not expressly granted to you.
          Creative grants to you the right to use all or a portion of this Software provided that
          (a) the Software is not distributed for profit;
          (b) the Software is used only in conjunction with Creative's family of products;
          the Software may NOT be modified; and
          (d) all copyright notices are maintained on the Software.]


          No Merger or Integration
          You may not merge any portion of the Software into, or integrate any portion of the Software with, any other program, except to the extent expressly permitted by the laws of the jurisdiction where you are located. Any portion of the Software merged into or integrated with another program, if any, will continue to be subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, and you must reproduce on the merged or integrated portion all copyright and other proprietary rights notices included on the originals of the Software.
          Limitations on Using, Copying, and Modifying the Software
          Except to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement or by the laws of the jurisdiction where you acquired the Software, you may not use, copy or modify the Software. Nor may you sub-license any of your rights under this Agreement. You may use the Software for your personal use only, and not for public performance or for the creation of publicly displayed videotapes.

          Decompiling, Disassembling, or Reverse Engineering
          You acknowledge that the Software contains trade secrets and other proprietary information of Creative and its licensors. Except to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement or by the laws of the jurisdiction where you are located, you may not decompile, disassemble or otherwise reverse engineer the Software, or engage in any other activities to obtain underlying information that is not visible to the user in connection with normal use of the Software.

          In particular, you agree not for any purpose to transmit the Software or display the Software's object code on any computer screen or to make any hardcopy memory dumps of the Software's object code. If you believe you require information related to the interoperability of the Software with other programs, you shall not decompile or disassemble the Software to obtain such information, and you agree to request such information from Creative at the address listed below. Upon receiving such a request, Creative shall determine whether you require such information for a legitimate purpose and, if so, Creative will provide such information to you within a reasonable time and on reasonable conditions.

          Comment


          • #20
            Got them installed and it works well and suonds much better than the OSS drivers.

            Comment


            • #21
              Too little, too late.

              I will not support Creative anymore, no matter what they'll do. Hope 'em die soon and their successor won't be that stupid.

              Comment


              • #22
                Originally posted by radzh View Post
                Too little, too late.

                I will not support Creative anymore, no matter what they'll do. Hope 'em die soon and their successor won't be that stupid.
                Not that creative dont deserve some knocking due to their terrible support but if your going to go around avoiding companies that have ever shunned linux you may as well build your computer out of cardboard and macaroni.

                Comment


                • #23
                  Originally posted by radzh View Post
                  Too little, too late.

                  I will not support Creative anymore, no matter what they'll do. Hope 'em die soon and their successor won't be that stupid.
                  I concur 100%. I personally refuse to touch a creative product ever.

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    I wish you good luck touching no hardware with questionable Linux support if you wish to do high quality and high performance sound programming ( aka games ). If you only require a mediocre sound solution then there are many around but if you need something worth the trouble then simply saying "no" to such companies is a problem.

                    Now that the drivers are open I expect some better drivers in the near future. Just hoping the team forming around this driver won't be as moronic as some other OS teams.

                    And yes, I have an X-Fi in my development rig and yes I knew that Linux support is most probably going to take a lot of time. This is why I have two cards... X-Fi for when I develop under Windows and another for Linux ( not as good, but 3D sound I can develop on Windows if required ).

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by pfunkman View Post
                      Not that creative dont deserve some knocking due to their terrible support but if your going to go around avoiding companies that have ever shunned linux you may as well build your computer out of cardboard and macaroni.
                      You know, i don't really care. They don't care 'bout me, i don't care 'bout them.

                      Creative is dying. Going GPL is kinda desperate measure for them, and not some kind of good will. So i'm glad them dying. Anyone so ignorant and unrespectful to customers should stay six feet under.

                      Now tell me more about those cardboards, i'm oh so scared.

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Originally posted by radzh View Post
                        You know, i don't really care. They don't care 'bout me, i don't care 'bout them.

                        Creative is dying. Going GPL is kinda desperate measure for them, and not some kind of good will. So i'm glad them dying. Anyone so ignorant and unrespectful to customers should stay six feet under.

                        Now tell me more about those cardboards, i'm oh so scared.
                        Creative can simply fire most of their employees and keep going for many years just off patent royalties alone. They won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by spikestabber View Post
                          Creative can simply fire most of their employees and keep going for many years just off patent royalties alone. They won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
                          It's all the same to me, as long as nobody ever will make us Linux users feel like second-class customers.

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            So... sales were slow or what?

                            I'm still never ever going to buy a Creative card.

                            I bought the X-Fi Platinum when it first came out, returned it the next day.

                            I'm really annoyed at the way they treated the Linux community. ATi gets away with it, because you can never really use the card to its full potential on Linux, cos there are no games or hardcore CAD apps. But with soundcards, Linux has support for multichannel audio, recording, mixing etc.. so we can use the card to its full potential.

                            I'll only reconsider Creative, if they can make something twice as good as the Maudio1010 and at half the price.

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              I for one am glad they did something that will probably produce some beneficial, though far from optimal results. Took long enough, though... Can you say EPIC FAIL?

                              Speaking of EPIC FAIL...
                              Originally posted by DanL View Post
                              Creative's not making money anyway, so they don't have much to lose. At least this makes their fanboys happy. I can't believe how many Linux users own X-fi's, considering how horrible the support is, but apparently some people are happy making ill-informed purchases and being brand slaves.
                              Creative, whether they are making money or not DID make a great product, and they called that product the X-Fi. A lot of people, not just "fanboys" bought one and saw/see real-world improvements in their gaming. You know, that thing that Linux fails miserably at, in every conceivable sense of the word (I can't alt-tab? wtf?). These people get a real kick out of life, they don't care so much about "FOSS" that they boycott actually useful and beneficial products just 'cuz the company behind it won't open-source their trade secrets. Quit your god damn trolling and go thread crap somewhere else, FOSStard.

                              That's enough out of me.

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Originally posted by pfunkman View Post
                                The ALC888 is a good chip but a properly working Xfi sounds far better and has no interference from the MOBO. So saying it only makes sense for games is really not true.
                                That's one of those never ending discussions.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X