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    Phoronix: Operating System U Now Solicits Community Ideas

    Operating System U, the newest distribution out there that plans for commercial opportunities with laptop pre-loads and is powered by Arch Linux and Wayland, is now soliciting development ideas from the community...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTczNjA

  • #2
    I can see their effort form that spreadsheet. But I have to say their goal, especially wayland, may probably be a little too far. It has taken gnome more than a year (and will take more) to fully port to wayland. I wonder if they have known how wayland works yet.
    Anyway, their effort reminds me of the crazy idea of creating a Linux distribution which several of my friends and I had when I was 17...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jdbrown View Post
      It has taken gnome more than a year (and will take more) to fully port to wayland.
      A lot more than a year.... they've been focusing more on the Wayland port in the past year, but there's been background work going on for several years before that.

      In part, at least, some of the API cleanups in Gtk3 / Gnome3 were done with portability in mind - not necessarily to Wayland (although that project has been bubbling away for 5-6 years now), but to *some* successor to X11. Things like moving away from panel applets built around XEmbed, adding wrapper APIs to reduce direct use of X11 code, that sort of thing.

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      • #4
        Oh please Phoronix, aren't you giving too much coverage in this script-kiddie "revolutionary" Linux distribution *plan* ?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jdbrown View Post
          Anyway, their effort reminds me of the crazy idea of creating a Linux distribution which several of my friends and I had when I was 17...
          So you failed and this is why you want him to fail?
          Old ponies who deny youngsters success because they should get in row?
          What about many other entrepreneurship that were started by 17-30 year olds?

          A man should be judged by his deeds, not by his age. I wish this guy success and a HUGE shit-shield.

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          • #6
            Community Engagement?

            As I said before I have a unique point of view on this. I am an Arch Linux TU and MATE developer. I am also the maintainer for MATE on Arch Linux.

            None of the individuals involved with Operating System U have approached Arch or MATE, nor contributed to either project, as far as I can tell. I'd also like to highlight that we (the MATE team) have not completed adding support for GTK3 to MATE, although that is a roadmap item due for completion in MATE 1.10 and a precursor to adding Wayland support.

            I can only imagine that the Operating System U team are about to submit some massive pull-requests to the MATE project what with the "CEO" proclaiming to be such an Open Source enthusiast. If Operating System U are to be taken seriously I'd like to see some proper community engagement first.

            There is no evidence that OSu have done anything toward this project other than throw up a website and launch a crowd funding campaign. I'm all for experimentation in the Open Source community but the OSu team should be engaging with the teams whose work they intend to build on first.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by brosis View Post
              A man should be judged by his deeds, not by his age.
              I didn't mean to hope they fail. Actually, I agree with you at this point and I'd be really happy if they eventually succeeded in this job.

              But just as Delgarde and flexiondotorg said, porting a DE to wayland is no easy job (especially MATE, since it is presently full of X stuff and not in a portable shape yet), and no community engagement has been seen. That's the real problem.

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              • #8
                until i see some code or anything working anything at all, i will feel this is a scam and it will fail completly.
                sorry but this is reality...

                you cant some show up make some promises and ask for money, we aint that stupid (i think...)
                also change that name, its one or even the worst OS name ive seen.

                theres your feedback, change name and dont ask money without showing something.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TheSoulz View Post
                  you cant some show up make some promises and ask for money, we aint that stupid (i think...)
                  also change that name, its one or even the worst OS name ive seen
                  Well they did show up and Phoronix's given them publicity. The name could be worse .. System D springs to mind

                  Now I don't get why ARCH + Mate + Wayland.. if they want to try something new and light, why not go with ARCH+Qt5+LXDE where at least Wayland is underway, and it may be viable on lower end H/W or tie in with the growing Qt ecosystem.

                  GTK3+ has lost projects, because GNOME3 developers see it as their mission to do what suits GNOME3 without regard to 3rd party applications. The more GNOME3 dominated GTK+ gets, the more this cycle reinforces itself, with less contributions from outside GNOME3 project.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by brosis View Post
                    A man should be judged by his deeds, not by his age. I wish this guy success and a HUGE shit-shield.
                    Brosis, I don't think anybody here is actively hoping for this project to fail. On the other hand, if you've followed the Linux landscape for a while, you know that lofty ideas alone won't make this project a success. The info sofar point to a severe underestimation of the work needed to even get a pre-alpha OSu to the proof of concept stage.

                    A userfriendly and stable distribution based on Arch, which has MATE running on Wayland, with a custom menu/search application. That alone is a tall order. How long has Manjaro been busy getting their userfriendly distro, based on Arch, just right? OSu is planning to do that in less than 6 months.

                    Don't get me wrong, I like the enthusiasm, but common sense dictates that if this project doesn't fade away in the planning phase, it'll be at least a year before they have something that can be tested by enthusiasts in a VM. Getting MATE alone to run on Wayland entails getting it on GTK3 and writing/porting to a Wayland compositor to get the graphics out to the graphics card. They could go the XMir route and run the whole DE under a patched XWayland instance, but that wouldn't exactly be MATE running on Wayland.

                    Their ambition to get this thing preloaded on laptops, netbooks and the like is a crazy good idea. It's what Linux needs the most, preloaded machines out there. But the preload business should be a long term goal. First get OSu toghether, then have a userbase and support structure and be profitable. Only after all that, can a company start thinking about OEM deals. It is hard to sell and run just nice ideas on physical hardware.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rob11311 View Post
                      The name could be worse .. System D springs to mind
                      Not 'System D', 'systemd', in the ancient fashion of UNIX daemons. If $PURPOSE'd' is a stupid name, a good chunk of your core system is stupidly named.

                      On-topic, this does sound like a Dunning-Kruger thing - someone without the distro-maintaining experience to know how much work and trouble is involved, who's come up with an 'awesome idea'. Happy to be proven wrong, but I doubt whatever money they get through Kickstarter will see much use.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by brosis View Post
                        A man should be judged by his deeds, not by his age.
                        true, but the problem is not the age
                        the problem is the disingenous train of thought that goes from making a new linux distribution (that probably only some ten's users people in the world, including the project founder and his friends, will ever use), to adoption by oem's and consequently, $$$

                        these guys forget or dont know that for an OS to be preinstalled on OEM machine it must be
                        - convenient (how much does it cost to implement it? can it be made as a single system image to be deployed on millons of machines of varying hw configuration, at little to no added cost at the manufacturing process level? )
                        - market effective: if a "de facto standard" os has a userbase of, say, 90% of the desktop segment, and i make desktops, i can assume a 90% chance for a possible buyer for my pc's to in turn want the "industry standard" OS - thus preinstallating it gives me a 90% confidence i will actually cater to the market's needs with a single product
                        even more so if said os is not a fragmented platform but rather a unified self compatible one, if it ' s an easier to use and a more consistent desktop than alternative Os's, if most if not all industry recognized applications are available for it anyway

                        now, as much as gnu linux is a niche as far as the desktop is concerned, some distributions actually have a chance to be oem-preinstalled, because they are the most relevant in the whole linux ecosystem and thus have a kind of industry recognition outside that niche
                        but a fork (thus a subset of the userbase) of an already geeky one (thus a niche of the niche)?

                        not to mention the second disingenous train of thought according to which wayland is what will make a distribution perfect ad easy to use ... disregarding the fact that there's a heap of stuff the user will notice (and to intervene on to improve the UX) before a core, under the hood component such as a wayland compositor (with the wayland protocol not perfect yet, either - minimize, anyone?)

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                        • #13
                          This WILL fail with NO funding. I said it in the other thread kickstarter is not indiegogo there is no flexible funding, it's all or nothing. Theres no way in hell they can raise 150K on just ideas with no real work shown, hell most half finished things can't raise that much.
                          Last edited by chris200x9; 07-07-2014, 09:35 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Technological hurdles/near impossibilities aside, I find there to be something really sort of sketchy about this. They're wanting to raise $150,000 for a forked project and otherwise looking to cash in on Arch when I'm positive that collectively, the Arch project hasn't seen that much money in donations in the entire time they've been an active distro. I find that this devalues Arch and the many years of work put into it all because someone with more ambition than smarts thinks this is going to actually go somewhere and compete with RHEL and Ubuntu.

                            As previous posts have mentioned, I'd like to see some community involvement and some sort of proof-of-concept because as it is now, they're asking for funding based entirely on ideas and ambition with nothing at present to show for it.

                            This is a lofty idea that's going to go nowhere. If you have any inkling to donate money to Operating System U, throw the Arch Linux project some of your money instead. They're the ones doing the hard work that's supposedly going to give this project ground to stand on.

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                            • #15
                              http://www.operatingsystemu.com/
                              We are revamping the website and project. Some notable changes are xorg instead of Wayland and Majaro instead of Arch. We are also delaying our kickstarter 15 days.
                              Seems a little bit more sensible. I still don't really see them succed though.

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