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    Phoronix: Ubuntu 14.10 Is Now Open For Development

    Now that Mark Shuttleworth has announced Ubuntu 14.10 as the Utopic Unicorn, the next version of Ubuntu Linux is officially under development...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTY3MzI

  • #2
    will be looking at this release very closely, i wanna see how much they can get of unity8 desktop done in this release.

    Edit: also i wish they went rolling release for this, have the LTS's and rollling betwen them, i think this would help since we all know stuff is gonna be broken when unity 8 comes to desktop (at least im expecting that since its new tech)
    Last edited by TheSoulz; 04-26-2014, 01:17 PM.

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    • #3
      Great article!

      Finally an article with a image, so its not just a big load of text.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
        Finally an article with a image, so its not just a big load of text.
        But... it's ugly.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TheSoulz View Post
          will be looking at this release very closely, i wanna see how much they can get of unity8 desktop done in this release.

          Edit: also i wish they went rolling release for this, have the LTS's and rollling betwen them, i think this would help since we all know stuff is gonna be broken when unity 8 comes to desktop (at least im expecting that since its new tech)
          I don't think well see Unity 8 on Mir by default on 14.10. As far as I know they haven't even started working on the desktop shell. It's not a trivial thing and a lot more complex than some smartphone interface where you only toggle between fullscreen surfaces basically. They already hinted that it might be delayed to 15.04

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          • #6
            i agree

            Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
            I don't think well see Unity 8 on Mir by default on 14.10. As far as I know they haven't even started working on the desktop shell. It's not a trivial thing and a lot more complex than some smartphone interface where you only toggle between fullscreen surfaces basically. They already hinted that it might be delayed to 15.04
            i agree unity 8 right now is only for phones/tablet but maybe they launch a garbage distro very unstable and slow like 12.10

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            • #7
              By then Windows 8.2 will probably be ready.

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              • #8
                I know I sound like a broken record but I really can not for the life of me see Canonical's mobile play. If a company like MS couldn't break into the market with the resources and marketing available to them, how will a company like Canonical?

                People say, "Ohh, Ubuntu will target the low-end cheap crappy phone market!" Well, that doesn't exactly engender bragging rights for the OS, does it? Will developers be eager to write apps to target this low-end crappy phone market? And besides, we already have a free mobile OS for low-end crappy phones: it's called Android and it comes with the Google Play market. And we already have a "convergent" OS: it's called Windows 8. And it was universally scorned and hated (at least the "convergent" part was). And convergence is more about cloud solutions than the UI look. And Canonical is closing all of that infrastructure down.

                Don't get me wrong, I don't see any issue with making an OS run on mobile devices. I think that's pretty cool. But to make it the fore-running goal of the software with no legitimate hope of success just comes off as a mix of vainglory and chasing the rainbow that is Apple's magical Steve Jobs cult.


                Canonical says they want developers to make apps for their platform. They can not be bothered to fix the catastrophic, asteroid-into-the-earth-level bugs that affect their own OS and they want us to write apps for their platform?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by johnc View Post
                  They can not be bothered to fix the catastrophic, asteroid-into-the-earth-level bugs that affect their own OS and they want us to write apps for their platform?
                  And which are those? Last time I checked Ubuntu absolutely dominated Linux desktop deployments in institutions and companies (where they use Linux), and in the cloud server market they are becoming bigger and bigger, and it is the largest Linux distribution out there, obviously they are doing something right and all those users dont seem to notice those show stopping bugs you talk about. Exaggeration much?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by johnc View Post
                    But to make it the fore-running goal of the software with no legitimate hope of success just comes off as a mix of vainglory and chasing the rainbow that is Apple's magical Steve Jobs cult.
                    You a psychic or something?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cerberus View Post
                      And which are those? Last time I checked Ubuntu absolutely dominated Linux desktop deployments in institutions and companies (where they use Linux), and in the cloud server market they are becoming bigger and bigger, and it is the largest Linux distribution out there, obviously they are doing something right and all those users dont seem to notice those show stopping bugs you talk about. Exaggeration much?
                      Here's one that has been known about for YEARS and has exactly 0% progress accomplished:

                      https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...dm/+bug/969489

                      I think you exaggerate Ubuntu's success.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by johnc View Post
                        Here's one that has been known about for YEARS and has exactly 0% progress accomplished:

                        https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...dm/+bug/969489

                        I think you exaggerate Ubuntu's success.
                        You came up with one bug that is not even a show stopper for people. And you claimed meteor in the earth type of bugs (plural). You will have to try harder. If I am exaggerating Ubuntu's success then you can surely provide data on some other distribution that achieved more overall success than Ubuntu.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by johnc View Post
                          I know I sound like a broken record but I really can not for the life of me see Canonical's mobile play. If a company like MS couldn't break into the market with the resources and marketing available to them, how will a company like Canonical?

                          People say, "Ohh, Ubuntu will target the low-end cheap crappy phone market!" Well, that doesn't exactly engender bragging rights for the OS, does it? Will developers be eager to write apps to target this low-end crappy phone market? And besides, we already have a free mobile OS for low-end crappy phones: it's called Android and it comes with the Google Play market. And we already have a "convergent" OS: it's called Windows 8. And it was universally scorned and hated (at least the "convergent" part was). And convergence is more about cloud solutions than the UI look. And Canonical is closing all of that infrastructure down.

                          Don't get me wrong, I don't see any issue with making an OS run on mobile devices. I think that's pretty cool. But to make it the fore-running goal of the software with no legitimate hope of success just comes off as a mix of vainglory and chasing the rainbow that is Apple's magical Steve Jobs cult.


                          Canonical says they want developers to make apps for their platform. They can not be bothered to fix the catastrophic, asteroid-into-the-earth-level bugs that affect their own OS and they want us to write apps for their platform?
                          It's not made for the developed western markets but for the developing third world markets, where they have a chance. There it all depends on how well they can dance with the network operators.

                          Last year, I was in Chile and compared to Europe I saw incredible numbers of dumbphones and ancient BlackBerries. I was feeling like a millionaire with my old Galaxy Nexus. I also noticed one more thing: the benefits that one gets from owning an Android or iOS smartphone there are almost completely nullified by the bad network quality and unavailable services, so for example, Google maps are almost useless there. The same goes for many other Google services that the first world countries enjoy. For example, watching youtube videos over 3G/4G is a definite no-no, in the capital of Chile, Santiago, most of the coverage is 2G with 3G in rich neighborhoods. On most networks even the unlimited data plans are in fact limited and are slow as hell. Let me remind you that this was in Chile, which is one of the most developed South American countries. In other countries it's even worse. Then there is Africa, where even 2G is a luxury.

                          Canonical has a real chance of succeeding in those markets. It all depends on how well they can do business with the network operators and hardware companies. Let's not forget that Nokia last year earned a lot of money from selling Asha phones. So, the possibilities are definitely here.

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                          • #14
                            So the intention here is to make Ubuntu an OS for third-world countries that have 50-year old technology and dirt-poor markets?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by johnc View Post
                              So the intention here is to make Ubuntu an OS for third-world countries that have 50-year old technology and dirt-poor markets?
                              so what? money is money.

                              p.s. they want to make money in those markets, because the chances of success in the oversaturated western markets are tiny. Exactly that old technology is the great leveler for all companies there.
                              Last edited by Anarchy; 04-26-2014, 10:21 PM.

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