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  • #16
    Don't remember much from Poettering's talk from August by I'm not sure using Android as a model for permissions is a good idea. Its all or nothing system is significantly inferior to the independent and non-simultaneous permissions in iOS.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kostas View Post
      Don't remember much from Poettering's talk from August by I'm not sure using Android as a model for permissions is a good idea. Its all or nothing system is significantly inferior to the independent and non-simultaneous permissions in iOS.
      Android doesn't have an all or nothing system, it has an all or nothing UI representation. The underlying code handles each permission separately. Otherwise App Ops couldn't exist.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
        I wonder what DE is on screenshots. What might it be?
        Those are old Fedora core 3 or 4 (they have the same default wallpaper) and core 5 screenshot, so like 8 to 10 years old, not really relevant to the discussion. And those are running GNOME 2 not 3.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
          No Fedora IS short word for Fedora Gnome, gnome is the default fedora desktop, so calling the workstation fedora gnome makes no sense.
          Yes, it makes sense because “Workstation” is not just a new name for Fedora Desktop, at least they say that.
          As such it would have made sense to analyze the distribution of DE users within Fedora and staff the new work group proportionately from the existing SIGs.

          Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
          Would you mind providing a reference to the 50% claim?
          Gosh, it was in some thread three or so months ago and not a too major topic in the overall discussion. I believe some KDE SIG member raised the point but I could be wrong.

          Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
          Workstation proposal was from many of the same people who are upstream GNOME developers and work on Fedora desktop live image. So it is not at all surprising that the produce would use GNOME.
          Oh, I'm not surprised. On the contrary I expected nothing less from the gnomes.
          “Fedora Gnome? No! Our desktop is the only one that can be used for work!”


          Originally posted by sarmad View Post
          I think the world does revolve around them. At least you are! There is not even a single mention of Gnome in the article, nor in the comment above you, yet you find yourself compelled to bring Gnome in the conversation.
          “Fedora Workstation” is the Gnome product, no matter if Gnome is mentioned or not.
          And in case you didn't notice: I LIKE THE GNOME DESKTOP! I just don't like the developers’ attitude. That’s what led to the countless Gnome forks because almost everybody is incapable of compromises. We rarely see this: “We have this idea, you have that idea. How can we bring them together?”
          We often see instead: “Your idea is wrong and only mine is right. FU! I create a fork!”

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          • #20
            Originally posted by iniudan View Post
            Those are old Fedora core 3 or 4 (they have the same default wallpaper) and core 5 screenshot, so like 8 to 10 years old, not really relevant to the discussion. And those are running GNOME 2 not 3.
            Everything old is new again.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by justmy2cents View Post
              i'm more or less refraining my self to post on fedora or gnome articles (except few occasions that were too much of a joke to pass on) so, i kinda apologize on this rant of mine, but i simply could not swallow this and avoid writing comment

              really? after making so many deviations from how other oses/toolkits work in general and making consistent cross platform coding so much harder (i named those way too many times, so... why bother again. not to mention i would avoid it in case if i didn't read this BS of purest form),...

              this is what you say? appreciate? strange way of appreciation, like saying thanks with bullets
              so i don't just bash on topic where i would originally prefer to be quiet, at least biggest bug in my book was fixed in gtk. found out after posting this, would mention this otherwise. csd now contains appmenu and this probably fixes gnome apps in other environments, not to mention appmenu stops breaking cross platform development and actually becomes viable to use

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                Gosh, it was in some thread three or so months ago and not a too major topic in the overall discussion. I believe some KDE SIG member raised the point but I could be wrong.
                If you find a reference that is substantial, feel free to point to it. Otherwise it appears you are railing up for no real reason.

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                • #23
                  Work for station

                  Fedora workstation is quite silly. What that word means to you? Real work station has to be either LTS, like RHEL and Ubuntu, or has to be a quite good and stable rolling release.
                  I was using Fedora as a workstation as a matter of fact, and it was PITA. All checks I have/had to do in such situations are really pain in the ass, literally. If one has few servers like Subversion, Apache, Tomcat, MySQL or Postgre, and few (In my case usually two, sometimes 3 or even four) VMs, and bunch of private related things, good luck with updating every year, year and a half, and enjoy the stress if you waited until the last minute.

                  I would choose either Ubuntu, or Gentoo, in the last time Ubuntu, since I simply didn't have enough time to setup a Gentoo box. Ubuntu served me well for years now, and I was updating for few releases without any real issues, until now, where update pretty borked the system, so I had to do a clean install. It was boring but it helped with some issues, I would never expect. Like my Win 7 VM, which runs from a Corsair SSD, started running fast again, as it should. Sorry for a little OT...

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