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  • Future Of Fedora Spins Is Questioned With Fedora.Next

    Phoronix: Future Of Fedora Spins Is Questioned With Fedora.Next

    Red Hat's Fedora Linux distribution is in the process of being revitalized and will see some major changes this year. We still won't see Fedora 21 come until at least August and there's already lots of questions over the future of Fedora under this new "Fedora.Next" shift. How Fedora's various "spins" will be handled also has yet to be determined given a new mailing list thread...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTU4NzA

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    I forsee Arch-based Manjaro popularity skyrocketing this year

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bucic View Post
      I forsee Arch-based Manjaro popularity skyrocketing this year
      Why? If anything, people leaving Fedora would most likely go to openSUSE.

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      • #4
        Why would they leave Fedora anyway? It's not like it'll be paid in the next version.

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        • #5
          Are there any reason to use these spins (besides when using different DEs)? I would drop everything and focus on making Fedora better for end-user.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by brk0_0 View Post
            Are there any reason to use these spins (besides when using different DEs)? I would drop everything and focus on making Fedora better for end-user.
            Agreed, those who want different DEs can simply just select them in the Anaconda installer or add them on post-install via YUM.

            I don't know just how much Anaconda has changed since F17 till the current F20 since I still maintain an F17 box, but to my knowledge Anaconda had always provided users with at least 4 choices of DEs (Gnome 3, KDE 4, XFCE and LXDE) when using the installer DVD ISO and not the liveDVDs.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
              Agreed, those who want different DEs can simply just select them in the Anaconda installer or add them on post-install via YUM.

              I don't know just how much Anaconda has changed since F17 till the current F20 since I still maintain an F17 box, but to my knowledge Anaconda had always provided users with at least 4 choices of DEs (Gnome 3, KDE 4, XFCE and LXDE) when using the installer DVD ISO and not the liveDVDs.
              Anaconda has changed quite a bit -- but not in that regard. I include Xfce and Gnome in my install, though anymore Cinnamon has gotten so good I don't actually much use Xfce. (Though its still good to know its there....)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pipe13 View Post
                Anaconda has changed quite a bit -- but not in that regard. I include Xfce and Gnome in my install, though anymore Cinnamon has gotten so good I don't actually much use Xfce. (Though its still good to know its there....)
                I usually include Gnome and KDE and a random third DE for convenience. Installing Gnome usually brings in tons of dependencies that are needed for compiling GTK software in the future (like Chrome and FF to name a few). Ditto KDE 4 for Qt software (especially VLC, which i, again, compile myself from sources for the heck of it).

                The third DE is mostly just "because I can", when i get bored or tired of using Gnome / KDE.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                  Why? If anything, people leaving Fedora would most likely go to openSUSE.
                  My understanding was many people chose fedora for its recent packages/features. Th time to get exciting new features grew from weeks to months in some cases. And the updates in Linux world only get more exciting.
                  open suse? AFAIK it's comparable to fedora in this regard. Hence I mentioned Manjaro.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Calinou View Post
                    Why would they leave Fedora anyway? It's not like it'll be paid in the next version.
                    I have been a Red Hat /Fedora user since RH 4.2. I like Fedora and its pace, and on the whole been satisfied with its direction, except of course that I use KDE instead of the Gnome.

                    But there is something incredible creepy about the entire "Fedora.next" process. It is all top down steering, with vague and unclear goals.

                    I may be wrong about this, but there seems to be a underlining sub text in what is going on right now, that Gnome will be the only official, tier one supported desktop, with other DE's hidden way and dropped to "barely tolerated" support.

                    So if the Fedora.next project effectively is going to nerf KDE, I will be leaving.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by interested View Post
                      I have been a Red Hat /Fedora user since RH 4.2. I like Fedora and its pace, and on the whole been satisfied with its direction, except of course that I use KDE instead of the Gnome.

                      But there is something incredible creepy about the entire "Fedora.next" process. It is all top down steering, with vague and unclear goals.

                      I may be wrong about this, but there seems to be a underlining sub text in what is going on right now, that Gnome will be the only official, tier one supported desktop, with other DE's hidden way and dropped to "barely tolerated" support.

                      So if the Fedora.next project effectively is going to nerf KDE, I will be leaving.
                      Does it _even_ matter?

                      Fedora has shown no signs of intending to drop KDE from its repositories, so there will always be an up-to-date version of it available for install.

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                      • #12
                        That 5 minute edit limit...

                        Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                        Does it _even_ matter?

                        Fedora has shown no signs of intending to drop KDE from its repositories, so there will always be an up-to-date version of it available for install.
                        What i wanted to say was, even if KDE does get relegated to a tier 2 or tier 3 or tier X desktop, as long as there exists a working and up-to-date version of it in the repositories for installation, it's already good enough.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                          That 5 minute edit limit...



                          What i wanted to say was, even if KDE does get relegated to a tier 2 or tier 3 or tier X desktop, as long as there exists a working and up-to-date version of it in the repositories for installation, it's already good enough.
                          Well, that is the situation right now; KDE is a second tier DE, but thanks to the excellent Fedora-KDE release team, it is a good DE experience to use, and the KDE spin makes it easy to choose and install too.

                          The problem may be, that "Fedora.next - Workstation" will be defined as a Gnome only, with the ultimate goal of becoming _the_ "GNOME OS" implementation.

                          KDE, LXDE etc. could then be relegated to "slum repos" that are "community driven" in the sense that basically all official support will be removed, perhaps bug-trackers too, and they will no longer be part of any Fedora release schedule.

                          KDE, LXDE, Xfce would basically be banished into Fedora Remixes. So no spins, no official support or QA for KDE and other DE's.

                          I am not saying it will end up like this, but there sure are some signals in that direction on the Fedora project mailing list.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by interested View Post
                            So if the Fedora.next project effectively is going to nerf KDE, I will be leaving.
                            Won't happen. If that was the case, Red Hat would not pay so many KDE devs. They'd be all fired already.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                              Won't happen. If that was the case, Red Hat would not pay so many KDE devs. They'd be all fired already.
                              Well, there is no Fedora.next yet. AFAIK there are 4-5 KDE developers working for Red Hat, not that many. Don't even know if they are full time employees or not.

                              But as the Fedora.next "Workstation" proposal look, then it will a set of mandatory packages. That looks like "Gnome only" to me as things are now, and with the disbanding of the spins, there will not be a second "Fedora KDE Workstation" platform. One solution for Red Hat could be that they banish all other DE's into "Fedora Remixes", basically removing them from Fedora.

                              If all the GNOME OS hyperbole about Gnome getting 20% of all desktops in 2020 is believed by Red Hat, then it will become a natural choice to remove all Gnome competitors from their distros.

                              The mailing list and the fedora.next proposals are full of talk about unification, standardisation, uniform experience and similar stuff, that looks like they are preparing for only one official DE, Gnome. Perhaps they think that Ubuntu's success is down to only having Unity.

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