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    Phoronix: Voting Proposed For Debian Jessie's Init System

    After last week having an update on the current init system debate within Debian -- largely between systemd and Upstart -- and a major music company coming out in favor of systemd, the init system for Debian Jessie may now be taken to a vote...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTU4Mzk

  • #2
    3 Votes so far...

    > Ballot:
    >
    > The default init system for Linux architectures in jessie should be
    >
    > 1. systemd
    >
    > 2. upstart
    >
    > 3. openrc
    >
    > 4. sysvinit (no change)
    >
    > 5. requires further discussion.

    Bdale Garbee: 12345, https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte.../msg00426.html
    Russ Allbery: 12534, https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte.../msg00427.html
    Keith Packard (Intel): 12435, https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte.../msg00435.html

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    • #3
      No surprises there; of the 8 members, those are the three that have strongly come out in favor of systemd. There are three others that have come out strongly in favor of Upstart (two Canonical employees and one former employee).

      The ones to watch are Don Armstrong and Andreas Barth. Armstrong came out slightly in favor of systemd, and Barth in favor of upstart but not really happy with any of the choices.
      Last edited by Scimmia; 01-26-2014, 01:40 AM.

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      • #4
        Personally,

        I've pushed for systemd and sooner the better. Get this crap agreed upon. Debian keeps stalling all sorts of package upgrades whether its the asinine libpng upgrade, to this to whatever, the crap just gets slower and slower to update without banging on half-assed updates via Experimental.

        If FreeBSD 10.1 continues to evolve I'll be spending more and more time on it, rather than Linux.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Marc Driftmeyer View Post
          Personally,

          I've pushed for systemd and sooner the better. Get this crap agreed upon. Debian keeps stalling all sorts of package upgrades whether its the asinine libpng upgrade, to this to whatever, the crap just gets slower and slower to update without banging on half-assed updates via Experimental.

          If FreeBSD 10.1 continues to evolve I'll be spending more and more time on it, rather than Linux.
          That's the main problem with any project/group, you start small can make changes quickly, then you grow, start adding laws and bureaucracy, politics and personal ambitions creep in, infighting, and suddenly realize you look a lot like a typical slow bureaucratic corporate dinosaur, which debian is, without "corporate".

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mark45 View Post
            That's the main problem with any project/group, you start small can make changes quickly, then you grow, start adding laws and bureaucracy, politics and personal ambitions creep in, infighting, and suddenly realize you look a lot like a typical slow bureaucratic corporate dinosaur, which debian is, without "corporate".
            In a corporation you usually at least have someone who can make decisions unilaterally.

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            • #7
              There seems to be a high correlation between the persons favor of upstart and his affiliation with Canonical. Interesting. Correlation does not imply causation, though. Probably just a coincidence.

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              • #8
                My vote?
                35[4/2]
                and no 1

                ps: I agree with https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte.../msg00428.html
                Last edited by Annabel; 01-26-2014, 06:24 AM.

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                • #9
                  Is it just me, or does the article not say who's able to vote? Is it a public vote, or just for board members?

                  If they pick Upstart, Debian becomes largely irrelevant overnight.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kaprikawn View Post
                    Is it just me, or does the article not say who's able to vote?
                    It's just you:
                    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                    Bdale is calling for technical committee members to vote

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                    • #11
                      Who to fuck gives a shit if a company wants systemd when at least one third of all Linux users use Ubuntu. :-\

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                        There seems to be a high correlation between the persons favor of upstart and his affiliation with Canonical. Interesting. Correlation does not imply causation, though. Probably just a coincidence.
                        Yeah, a coincidence for sure.
                        In any case, the Bdale vote counts as two, because he is the chairman.
                        So,
                        [systemd x2] chairman Bdale Garbee
                        [systemd] member Russ Allbery
                        [systemd] member Don Armstrong
                        [Upstart] member Andreas Barth
                        [Upstart] member Ian Jackson
                        [Upstart] member Steve Langasek
                        [systemd] member Keith Packard
                        [Upstart] member Colin Watson

                        Looks like 5-4 in favor of systemd, provided someone doesn't change his mind from the intention vote expressed before.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Anarchy View Post
                          Who to fuck gives a shit if a company wants systemd when at least one third of all Linux users use Ubuntu. :-\
                          What company are you talking about? Debian? You must be new to Linux.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                            What company are you talking about? Debian? You must be new to Linux.
                            he's probably referring to spotify...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Anarchy View Post
                              Who to fuck gives a shit if a company wants systemd when at least one third of all Linux users use Ubuntu. :-\

                              Its new to me that people pick technologies not based upon their superiority, but upon clueless user base. If Ubuntu had some BRAINS, they would abandon upstart and bazaar long ago, and instead take systemd and git and start CONTRIBUTING to it. Instead they choose that ownership right matter more than whole "together" (aka "ubuntu") thing and started to trash the ecosystem with *their* bicycles.

                              Your comment is exactly the essence why many hate ubuntu.
                              Last edited by brosis; 01-26-2014, 07:15 AM.

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