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  • #31
    Originally posted by xeekei View Post
    Ubuntu is also only the most used distro on desktop systems.
    And in the cloud.
    I couldn't find any figures for the whole market but on Amazon (which is the biggest)
    Ubuntu have a 55% market share http://thecloudmarket.com/stats

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    • #32
      Holy shit. I've read most of this thread and could not find anything other than personal opinions people have formed wrongly formed based on what they've read online. I highly doubt any of them have actually used systemd or an init system enough to actually care or understand anything.

      If you use GNOME3/systemd it'll cause your HDD/SDD to explode and leak hydrochloric acid all over your system. It must be true because I said it on the internet.

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      • #33
        voting huh? It's not a democracy it's a technical issue that needs a technical analysis. If they cannot perform such an analysis they should leave it as it is.

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        • #34
          Most open source developers not associated with Canonical prefer SystemD. These include the GNOME guys, KDE, Wayland etc. Even kernel developers seem to prefer the SystemD way of things (e.g. KDBus).

          Not sure whether that fact affects what Debian is going to choose, but maybe it should.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by flux242 View Post
            voting huh? It's not a democracy it's a technical issue that needs a technical analysis. If they cannot perform such an analysis they should leave it as it is.
            Or maybe they conducted the technical analysis and expressed different points of views regarding the pros and cons of each proposed solutions.

            If there were a clear superior solution the vote would ne be that useful (although it might establish that there is indeed a solution which has been deemed as clearly superior). But AFAIK none of the proposed solution is ideal.

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            • #36
              My vote: 11111

              I've used systemd, upstart and sysinitv as an user. I find that systemd is a step forward in usability.

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              • #37
                Most open source developers not associated with freedesktop.org (or it was .xxx?) prefer OpenRC
                Not sure whether that fact affects what Debian is going to choose, but maybe it should.

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                • #38
                  Why not have OpenRC for compatibility with older scripts? Or would that even work?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
                    Why not have OpenRC for compatibility with older scripts? Or would that even work?
                    I think OpenRC and Upstart have compatibility with older scripts but I am not sure

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
                      Why not have OpenRC for compatibility with older scripts? Or would that even work?
                      OpenRC, Upstart and systemd all have backward compatibility with sysvinit scripts.
                      The reason the Debian TC does not consider OpenRC is that it does not provide enough improvements over plain sysvinit to be worth changing.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by valeriodean View Post
                        Yeah, a coincidence for sure.
                        In any case, the Bdale vote counts as two, because he is the chairman.
                        So,
                        [systemd x2] chairman Bdale Garbee
                        [systemd] member Russ Allbery
                        [systemd] member Don Armstrong
                        [Upstart] member Andreas Barth
                        [Upstart] member Ian Jackson
                        [Upstart] member Steve Langasek
                        [systemd] member Keith Packard
                        [Upstart] member Colin Watson

                        Looks like 5-4 in favor of systemd, provided someone doesn't change his mind from the intention vote expressed before.
                        Ah, but the way the question is phrased, I could see either Armstrong or Barth going for either options 4 or 5. This is about what should happen immediately, not which direction to head.

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                        • #42
                          I'm wondering what will happen to Debian GNU/Hurd and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD if they switch to systemd

                          at least upstart would be easier to port and they said that they will accept patches (source: https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/op...s/systemd.html ``<azeem>Steve said he would happily take porting patches'')

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Annabel View Post
                            I'm wondering what will happen to Debian GNU/Hurd and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD if they switch to systemd

                            at least upstart would be easier to port and they said that they will accept patches (source: https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/op...s/systemd.html ``<azeem>Steve said he would happily take porting patches'')
                            Couldn't they just stick to sysvinit? It's not like there aren't other differences across them already.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by xeekei View Post
                              Lennart Poettering and Kay Sievers have already answered this. The core design of Upstart is wrong, and even if it wasn't, there's still Canonical's CLA.
                              Ubuntu is also only the most used distro on desktop systems.
                              And it took them FOUR years to say so? Why didn't they try to influence its development? Raise their concerns? And please don't hide behind the CLA. It is a simple stupid document that can be renegotiated between the companies and individuals willing to contribute since the start system is fundamental part of the OS. In the worst case scenario said individuals and companies can fork the original project and rename it to something else. Problem solved.

                              From my perspective this is another attempt to derail one company's effort and replace it with something own. It's not like it hasn't happened before. The latest upstart vs. systemd is nothing new on that front.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Anarchy View Post
                                And it took them FOUR years to say so? Why didn't they try to influence its development? Raise their concerns? And please don't hide behind the CLA. It is a simple stupid document that can be renegotiated between the companies and individuals willing to contribute since the start system is fundamental part of the OS. In the worst case scenario said individuals and companies can fork the original project and rename it to something else. Problem solved.
                                It has been said for years but some people refused to listen while being too busy pursuing their crusade against any project involving Poettering and their owitn blind hate against systemd without even trying .

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