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    Phoronix: Canonical Is Still Operating At A Significant Loss

    Canonical, the legal entity around Ubuntu Linux, is still operating at a loss of millions of dollars each year. Making the rounds on the Internet this morning is Canonical's UK financial report for the 2013 fiscal year...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTU3MDg

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    I think they will manage to get positive once the new stack is fully ready in 2015.

    If I'm wrong, I hope Valve just buys them or starts their own desktop OS. Valve depends on a good desktop system for its userbase and Valve right now does not see or recommend SteamOS for that usecase, it's explicity for the living room.

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    • #3
      If they didn't have to hire extra developers to fork gnome shell, mir, and create things like upstart and their own store and rather used current standards like wayland and systemd they could easily cut developers cost.

      Instead of needing a team of 30 developers or so they could have 10 - 15.

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      • #4
        Their own Mobile OS is currently live on Chinese smartphones (some Phoronix articles on this topic but more on other sites). I suppose the OEM Chinese deal bought them / will bring them some extra coins. I am pretty curious how the Ubuntu Phone is working, the tech specs are quite awesome but i can only hope i would manage to lay my greedy hands on one of them soon.

        Best,
        a,

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        • #5
          Originally posted by middy View Post
          If they didn't have to hire extra developers to fork gnome shell, mir, and create things like upstart and their own store and rather used current standards like wayland and systemd they could easily cut developers cost.

          Instead of needing a team of 30 developers or so they could have 10 - 15.
          But bzr, mir, upstart etc. makes Ubuntu so much better in the eyes of the users compared to other distros.....oh wait it doesn't.

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          • #6
            Good, I hope they rot in hell.

            And yes, I registered just to post this.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Baemir View Post
              Good, I hope they rot in hell.

              And yes, I registered just to post this.
              And here begins the story about how Canonical ruined lives across the world by starting WW3, promotes world hunger, killed your cat, or whatever other terrible thing you want to give the illusion they did just because you disagree with the general thought or appearance of Mir and/or Unity likely due to bandwagon-related reasons...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Baemir View Post
                Good, I hope they rot in hell.

                And yes, I registered just to post this.
                LOL

                I hear you brother!

                PS: Actually, i don't hate them, i just don't like the fact that they get too much attention from the media. They do not deserve it...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by middy View Post
                  If they didn't have to hire extra developers to fork gnome shell, mir, and create things like upstart and their own store and rather used current standards like wayland and systemd they could easily cut developers cost.

                  Instead of needing a team of 30 developers or so they could have 10 - 15.
                  This.

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                  • #10
                    I hate to break it to you guys but if it weren't for them doing things like forking gnome-shell, they wouldn't be so (as you call it) undeservingly popular. So shut up or do something awesome like them

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                    • #11
                      Well, Mark said he's investing in their vision for a future converged ecosystem, but they could ditch it all right now and just keep server and cloud to be profitable. They're spending mostly for R&D for now, so when things are ready they will surely do better. Worst case scenario they ditch it and the community takes over.

                      And they're no Red Hat, but US$56 million is still quite a revenue for an open source company. They just need to spend (much) less. Maybe with their mobile device(s) out they will lose less?

                      Originally posted by blackout23 View Post
                      But bzr, mir, upstart etc. makes Ubuntu so much better in the eyes of the users compared to other distros.....oh wait it doesn't.
                      Upstart does to me, and if it's useful and they pull off what they intend to, Mir will do it too. I can't talk about BZR though. Unity DEFFINITELY does.

                      Originally posted by Baemir View Post
                      Good, I hope they rot in hell.

                      And yes, I registered just to post this.
                      Wow. What a waste of brain cells.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by araxth View Post
                        Their own Mobile OS is currently live on Chinese smartphones (some Phoronix articles on this topic but more on other sites). I suppose the OEM Chinese deal bought them / will bring them some extra coins. I am pretty curious how the Ubuntu Phone is working, the tech specs are quite awesome but i can only hope i would manage to lay my greedy hands on one of them soon.

                        Best,
                        a,
                        I wouldn't bet on it. If you look at other players in the space, mobile phone operating systems aren't exactly a high-margin product.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
                          I hate to break it to you guys but if it weren't for them doing things like forking gnome-shell, they wouldn't be so (as you call it) undeservingly popular.
                          I hate to break it to you, but they are so undeserving popular because they prefer marketing over technical superiority, even to the extend that they release buggy instead of moving the release date.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by d2kx View Post
                            Valve depends on a good desktop system for its userbase
                            They seemed OK with Windows being that desktop system for years, why would they change now? It's not like Ubuntu's (or any Linux distribution) user-base represents a significant part of Steam's userbase anyway.

                            Originally posted by middy View Post
                            If they didn't have to hire extra developers to fork gnome shell, mir, and create things like upstart
                            systemd was created after upstart. Their store is the main selling point of Ubuntu, according to several users (I don't share this view as I'm really OK with synaptic, but to each their own).

                            Originally posted by araxth View Post
                            Their own Mobile OS is currently live on Chinese smartphones (some Phoronix articles on this topic but more on other sites).
                            IIRC, this phone is not in production yet, so I wouldn't say it *currently* lives.

                            Originally posted by profoundWHALE View Post
                            I hate to break it to you guys but if it weren't for them doing things like forking gnome-shell, they wouldn't be so (as you call it) undeservingly popular. So shut up or do something awesome like them
                            Unity and the store, your are right. Mir, upstart, bzr? End-users don't even know what they are. Anyway, upstart was there before systemd. I have no idea if bazaar was there before git or if it is the other way around, but I don't feel like checking now. If systemd and git are better right now than their Canonical counter part is a whole different story.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by middy View Post
                              If they didn't have to hire extra developers to fork gnome shell, mir, and create things like upstart and their own store and rather used current standards like wayland and systemd they could easily cut developers cost.

                              Instead of needing a team of 30 developers or so they could have 10 - 15.
                              The thing is, as a business it's better for them to have control on as many components of the stack along with their licenses, so they suit their requirements and to be able to differentiate themselves.

                              But then I wonder how Red Hat manages to top 1 billion $ revenue while mostly staying on the default stack (and contributing to it).

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