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  • #16
    Originally posted by corebob View Post
    Lennart Poettering will whip that horse into shape, don't you worry
    whats Lennart got to do with it? he only programs systemd AFAIK

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    • #17
      Originally posted by hadrons123 View Post
      Gnome per say is a dead horse. Ubuntu has killed it twice by releasing old versions of Gnome. I highly doubt there would be anymore interest in gnome, that too in ubuntu community.
      i guess you'll be making your way back to Windows if its a Dead Horse

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      • #18
        Originally posted by darkxst View Post
        Ubuntu GNOME is not going away. If you are talking about GNOME being a cycle behind, this is intentional and will likely continue. Ubuntu's release schedule unfortunately doesn't fit in great with the GNOME schedule (they are just too close together). However I think you would find that the 13.10 release with GNOME 3.8 is most likely a lot more stable than it would have been with a rushed 3.10.

        You mean two cycles behind? By 14/04 Gnome 3.12 will be released....

        I'm using Gnome 3.10 on Arch since October and it's very stable, even better than 3.8 and way better than 3.6.

        Originally posted by scionicspectre
        Unfortunately, the only distro I can think of that has a good relationship with upstream, good repos, and an understanding of closed software on occasion is Arch. Not exactly the easiest to install.
        Simply install Antergos. Then you get a preconfigured Arch installed via a GUI installer in a matter of minutes. It's basically arch + an extra repository you can easily remove, if you decide you don't like the hand full of add-on packages (themes+gui package manager). It on about the same level of installation difficulty as Ubuntu.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by darkxst View Post
          Just to clarify Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 will be released ... it purely comes down to if the 14.04 release be officially tagged as an LTS or not.
          What? That's it? This news is just about it being LTS or not? Given the misleading title (on purpose of course), I'm surprised there aren't more (enraged and off-topic) comments.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by kaprikawn View Post
            I can't understand the point of Gnome on Ubuntu over, say just installing Debian with Gnome. Frankly, if you're not using Unity, Ubuntu is pointless at this point.
            Ubuntu has a crazy huge community and a nice package management system. There's plenty of reasons to use an Ubuntu-based distro without Unity. I'm using Kubuntu as we speak!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by devius View Post
              What? That's it? This news is just about it being LTS or not? Given the misleading title (on purpose of course), I'm surprised there aren't more (enraged and off-topic) comments.
              Actually, I didn't find the title misleading...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Anvil View Post
                whats Lennart got to do with it? he only programs systemd AFAIK
                Lennart is knee deep in Gnome

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0

                he probably did a remake of the thing as we speak

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                • #23
                  Better title?

                  Originally posted by oleid View Post
                  Actually, I didn't find the title misleading...
                  Maybe it would have been better to say, "Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 may not be LTS"?

                  It's a young project so we just may not be able to muster the support for an LTS until 16.06, but we're not dead or dieing.

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                  • #24
                    Oops

                    Originally posted by lbsolost View Post
                    Maybe it would have been better to say, "Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 may not be LTS"?

                    It's a young project so we just may not be able to muster the support for an LTS until 16.06, but we're not dead or dieing.
                    I should have said "16.04"

                    Must still be some Dapper rolling around in my brain somewhere.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dee. View Post
                      Which you can use in Mint or a zillion other Ubuntu-derivatives...
                      Which, all being dependant on Ubuntu, makes them "totally pointless" according to kaprikawn. That's the point he was refuting to begin with, that Ubuntu is useless if you don't use Unity, which it clearly isn't.

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                      • #26
                        I'm a system administrator of a large university network, too. Even in (theoretical) physics... And I don't have any of those problems. It seems to me, as if the guy is not that well informed. It's not easy for a speaker, if the audience is better informed...

                        Originally posted by corebob View Post
                        he probably did a remake of the thing as we speak
                        What thing do you mean?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by lbsolost View Post
                          Maybe it would have been better to say, "Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 may not be LTS"?

                          It's a young project so we just may not be able to muster the support for an LTS until 16.06, but we're not dead or dieing.
                          Sure, there are better ways to make the sense more obvious, however, it's not as if Michael wrote:

                          "Ubuntu GNOME Might Fail To Do A 14.04 Release"

                          which is obviously wrong. The extra word "LTS" changes the meaning completely.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by oleid View Post
                            I'm a system administrator of a large university network, too. Even in (theoretical) physics... And I don't have any of those problems. It seems to me, as if the guy is not that well informed. It's not easy for a speaker, if the audience is better informed...



                            What thing do you mean?
                            I mean the Gnome desktop

                            I think the speaker had many good points, and I think Pottering was rude and had mostly weak responses to the issues.
                            But I don't know if these issues has been fixed or not.

                            Potterings argument at the end, that you get it for free, is worthless. He should know that. Its about quality and free software, not about price.
                            At the same time I believe Pottering is able to get a lot done when he puts he's mind to it.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by corebob View Post
                              I mean the Gnome desktop

                              I think the speaker had many good points, and I think Pottering was rude and had mostly weak responses to the issues.
                              But I don't know if these issues has been fixed or not.
                              Yes, I think Pottering severely lacks social skills, however, that dosn't make him wrong. Especially the part about GDM and ConsoleKit. I see Draxinger's point concerning ConsoleKit and Wayland, but without this revoke system call, there is little you can do about it. And then, recommending pam_console ... that's ridiculous.

                              My favourite quote: "There is a reason why people do this. And sometimes, it would be so helpful if you'd actually ask people [...]"

                              Originally posted by corebob View Post
                              Potterings argument at the end, that you get it for free, is worthless. He should know that. Its about quality and free software, not about price.
                              At the same time I believe Pottering is able to get a lot done when he puts he's mind to it.
                              I think the statement "it's free" is rather about changing the source, not the price of the software. He's right about sending patches instead of complaining. I've seen many people - people who are able to code - complaining about stuff and taken things for given, but then, they don't send patches to change the things they criticize. You don't have to adapt to the software, you can also adapt the software.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Bathroom Humor View Post
                                Which, all being dependant on Ubuntu, makes them "totally pointless" according to kaprikawn. That's the point he was refuting to begin with, that Ubuntu is useless if you don't use Unity, which it clearly isn't.
                                Well from the user's perspective, as an operating system, it is. I think it was meant as, no one needs to use Ubuntu unless they want to use Unity. Ubuntu may still be useful as a base for distros, but the end users don't necessarily need to worry about such things.

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