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    Phoronix: Fedora 20 Will Ship With The Linux 3.11 Kernel

    While Fedora 20 isn't going to be released until at least the middle of the month and the Linux 3.12 kernel has been stable since the start of November, the bleeding-edge Fedora Linux will not be shipping with Linux 3.12 by default...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTUzNzI

  • #2
    Originally posted by phoronix
    The matter of the default Linux kernel version for Fedora 20 has been brought up multiple times now on the mailing lists and forums. Here's one such instance of Fedora users being confused or disgruntled by no Linux 3.12 by default. Due to the original release schedule and in terms of test coverage, the Linux 3.11 kernel is being used by default in Fedora 20 while the Linux 3.12 kernel will likely be pushed down as a launch-day update to Heisenbug.
    Here is the highlight of why kernel 3.12 did not make as default:
    https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipe...er/192669.html
    Originally posted by fedora devel mailing list
    if you find out too late that the new kernel has regressions
    which are affecting too much users there is no way to fix
    that and they all maybe are impossible to install the new
    release from the ISO image
    https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipe...er/004635.html
    We have a slight issue with the 3.12 kernel timing in that it is too
    late to push it into Fedora 20, but too far away from the Fedora 20
    release to just ignore the 3.13 development cycle until we can push
    3.12.

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    • #3
      What about 3.12 on Fedora 19?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tessio View Post
        What about 3.12 on Fedora 19?
        It will be available in the update.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by finalzone View Post
          It will be available in the update.
          Can time of delivery of a certain component be estimated somehow by a regular user? I'm interested in the Mesa 10 + DRI3 (Xorg 1.15).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bucic View Post
            Can time of delivery of a certain component be estimated somehow by a regular user? I'm interested in the Mesa 10 + DRI3 (Xorg 1.15).
            For a lot of things... not really. The best you can do is go to the Package Database page: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb, search the package you want, then hit "Update Status" at the top, see if its listed under Testing or Pending

            Mesa page: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/upda...ec3f7f9af26f2e
            Xorg page: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/upda...ec3f7f9af26f2e

            For instance, on there Mesa 10 isnt even listed as an update yet. So the maintainer is probably still working on the package, or he might be waiting until 10.0.1 for bug fixes.

            With the kernel my rule of thumb is "-rc3 of the next kernel" so Fedora will get a stable update of 3.13 when upstream is at 3.14-rc3. Not always accurate, but Ive found it to be pretty close.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tessio View Post
              What about 3.12 on Fedora 19?
              As well as what finalzone said (it will be available as an update for F19, a bit after it's available for F20), you can run the 3.12 kernels from the nodebug repo on F19 as well, in most cases they'll work fine.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                For a lot of things... not really. The best you can do is go to the Package Database page: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb, search the package you want, then hit "Update Status" at the top, see if its listed under Testing or Pending

                Mesa page: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/upda...ec3f7f9af26f2e
                Xorg page: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/upda...ec3f7f9af26f2e

                For instance, on there Mesa 10 isnt even listed as an update yet. So the maintainer is probably still working on the package, or he might be waiting until 10.0.1 for bug fixes.

                With the kernel my rule of thumb is "-rc3 of the next kernel" so Fedora will get a stable update of 3.13 when upstream is at 3.14-rc3. Not always accurate, but Ive found it to be pretty close.
                I don't believe Mesa 10 and Xorg 1.15 will be released as an update for F20. It's F21 stuff.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                  For a lot of things... not really. The best you can do is go to the Package Database page: ...
                  Wow, extremely helpful, thank you!

                  Originally posted by AdamW View Post
                  I don't believe Mesa 10 and Xorg 1.15 will be released as an update for F20. It's F21 stuff.
                  This would mean I'm switching to Arch for good. A regression introduced by Gnome Shell/mutter blokes caused massive tearing on Intel GPUs and this shit goes for over a year!
                  Please help, if you can:
                  How to get Xorg 1.15 DRI 3 and Mesa 10 sooner?
                  http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=295560
                  https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711028
                  I'd really like to stick to Fedora but this is just too much!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bucic View Post
                    Wow, extremely helpful, thank you!


                    This would mean I'm switching to Arch for good. A regression introduced by Gnome Shell/mutter blokes caused massive tearing on Intel GPUs and this shit goes for over a year!
                    Please help, if you can:
                    How to get Xorg 1.15 DRI 3 and Mesa 10 sooner?
                    http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=295560
                    https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711028
                    I'd really like to stick to Fedora but this is just too much!
                    It doesn't mean we wouldn't fix that bug, but you might want to open up a Fedora bug (if there isn't one already) requesting a fix for F20.

                    edit: oh, looks like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=977391 . But do be careful with the word regression: https://ohjeezlinux.wordpress.com/20...t-regressions/
                    Last edited by AdamW; 12-09-2013, 11:24 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AdamW View Post
                      It doesn't mean we wouldn't fix that bug, but you might want to open up a Fedora bug (if there isn't one already) requesting a fix for F20.

                      edit: oh, looks like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=977391 . But do be careful with the word regression: https://ohjeezlinux.wordpress.com/20...t-regressions/
                      Excuse my ranting everywhere I mention the bug but after a year such a thing gets promoted to a fuckup, as far as I'm concerned. The chances are this will close within 18 months. Some QA...

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                      • #12
                        What about RHEL 7? The beta was scheduled to 2013, but we are at 1/3 of December and there's no sign of it.

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