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    Phoronix: Debian Trying Out Xfce Over GNOME By Default

    While Debian GNU/kFreeBSD has used Xfce as its default desktop environment and prior to 7.0 Wheezy they experimented with Xfce by default for Debian GNU/Linux, it's being tried out once again...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTUwNDE

  • #2
    Debian developers will rely upon Popcorn package statistics
    It's PopCon, for Popularity Contest, not popcorn, lol

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    • #3
      One should also mention that the latest Gnome3 release in debian depends on systemd.
      Since Debian has yet to decide on a modern init system, there is really not a lot of choice here to keep Gnome3 the default atm.

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      • #4
        gnome-session-flashback

        They could use gnome-session-flashback instead of Xfce, if they want something more like GNOME 2.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by uid313 View Post
          They could use gnome-session-flashback instead of Xfce, if they want something more like GNOME 2.
          They don't want something more like Gnome2, they want something that both 1. is stable and 2. doesn't require systemd while they figure out which init system they are going with in the future.

          I'm hoping they use Cinnamon as a DE to get the Gnome compatibility without the systemd requirements and OpenRC + eudev on the init/services side of things.
          I think that would be the best combination of stuff to go for, personally.

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          • #6
            Why don't pick up mate?. I was trying on Linux Mint 13 Mate 1.2.1 with compiz in virtualbox and is so nice... xfce filemanager is so ugly and shity*

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            • #7
              Originally posted by felipe View Post
              Why don't pick up mate?. I was trying on Linux Mint 13 Mate 1.2.1 with compiz in virtualbox and is so nice... xfce filemanager is so ugly and shity*
              XFCE's filemanager (and default text editor) are the only parts of it that are truly crappy, and both are easily replaceable. I know very little about MATE's development (all I know is its a fork of gnome 2) but it wouldn't surprise me if XFCE is more polished.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Daktyl198 View Post
                They don't want something more like Gnome2, they want something that both 1. is stable and 2. doesn't require systemd while they figure out which init system they are going with in the future.

                I'm hoping they use Cinnamon as a DE to get the Gnome compatibility without the systemd requirements and OpenRC + eudev on the init/services side of things.
                I think that would be the best combination of stuff to go for, personally.
                Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME 3. It doesn't magically have more or less requirements than GNOME 3.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                  Phoronix: Debian Trying Out Xfce Over GNOME By Default

                  While Debian GNU/kFreeBSD has used Xfce as its default desktop environment and prior to 7.0 Wheezy they experimented with Xfce by default for Debian GNU/Linux, it's being tried out once again...

                  http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTUwNDE
                  Makes sense. Xfce is lightweight and provides a simple, acceptable default without ridiculous dependencies.

                  Everyone can install KDE/GNOME/E17 or whatever they want later.

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                  • #10
                    What a farce. Lets change the default desktop without looking at the stats, but then offer to use the stats later to determine if it was a good choice. Thanks for the goodwill Debian.

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                    • #11
                      Thunar (Xfces file manager) and Mousepad (Xfces text editor) are both very good. No need to spread FUD

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by leif81 View Post
                        What a farce. Lets change the default desktop without looking at the stats, but then offer to use the stats later to determine if it was a good choice. Thanks for the goodwill Debian.
                        They wanna see how many people go out of their way to install Gnome vs how many people are perfectly fine with XFCE and stick with it.

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                        • #13
                          Best move they could do...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bkor View Post
                            Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME 3. It doesn't magically have more or less requirements than GNOME 3.
                            Except that Cinnamon, MAGICALLY, doesn't require Systemd...
                            Cinnamon is a complete fork of about the 3.6 release of Gnome3. It is no longer a shell on top of it anymore. And I can almost guarantee it won't depend on Systemd.

                            P.S. Xfce is a really great DE as well, I was just mentioning something with a bit more up-to-date compatibility. I use Xfce and Cinnamon on and off, myself.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by leif81 View Post
                              What a farce. Lets change the default desktop without looking at the stats, but then offer to use the stats later to determine if it was a good choice. Thanks for the goodwill Debian.
                              Yeah, because GNOME 3 really proved to be a good default environment *sarcasm*. GNOME 3 and Unity are of the 2 worst DEs to be used as the default.

                              XFCE is much better than GNOME 3 for Debian's default - it's much more light-weight (in terms of CPU, GPU, RAM, and HDD consumption), it works on legacy systems, its interface is much more familiar to Windows and Mac users, and it doesn't update often. Not updating often is important for debian, since they're not a cutting edge distro (even sid is a bit on the old side) and they look for stability, which XFCE is. I don't get the impression GNOME 3 is a buggy mess anymore, but it still updates often enough to be stable Fallback mode basically is XFCE but incredibly limited.

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