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    Phoronix: LXDE-Based Lubuntu Will Not Ship Mir Display Server

    The LXDE-based derivative of Ubuntu Linux has no plans to be using Mir, regardless of XMir or not...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM5OTI

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    One by one, the oppressed peasants are turning against their master... the people will not stand for this travesty! The excesses of the elite must be curbed! Soon, a mob with pitchforks will gather around the walls of the Canonical palace, demanding Shuttleworth's head on a pike...

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    • #3
      Distaste? Really?

      So please tell me where exactly in the following post does the Lubuntu guy "express distaste"?

      https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub...ne/037419.html

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      • #4
        Should be noticed Wayland doesn't fit Lubuntu's needs either.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mrugiero View Post
          Should be noticed Wayland doesn't fit Lubuntu's needs either.
          Why wouldn't it?

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          • #6
            Problem is XMir, not Mir

            The LXDE-based Lubuntu distribution has now also expressed their distaste for Mir and want to continue using an X.Org Server.
            Too much hyperbole in that statement. The Lubuntu developer was expressing his concern that XMir was too much of a performance hit on LXDE, so for now they'll stick with X.Org. He didn't say anything bad about Mir itself, and didn't preclude its use eventually on Lubuntu.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dee. View Post
              Why wouldn't it?
              Performance: "
              This is currently an issue for Lubuntu, because, if i understand
              correctly, we are going to replace an X + openbox (without composite)
              with a Mir + XMir + composite windows manager (?). Considering the
              very bad performance on some of our target hardware running under a
              composite manager, I'm quite worrying about the performance
              difference."

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              • #8
                looks like Canonical is getting what it wants just a little faster then it hoped for "Mir is a one distribution solution for our needs"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dee. View Post
                  Why wouldn't it?
                  From the article:

                  In particular, Lubuntu is worried about poor performance if using a compositing window manager.
                  I have to agree, that this could easily be overseen in such an awfully long article.

                  Btw

                  We currently plan to ship X only
                  by default for 13.10 and 14.04 for Lubuntu, with eventually an option
                  to test XMir, to prepare the future
                  .
                  Is that your interpretation of "distaste", Mr. Phoronix? :P

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dee. View Post
                    Why wouldn't it?
                    They want to avoid the use of compositing, and both native Mir and native Wayland require compositing, and both XMir and Xwayland are useless as a desktop solution (useless as not giving nothing that a plain X.org doesn't give you). And this is, as pointed out, because they aim to low resources computers. Compositing has better performance on a lot of use cases, but it also leads to higher memory use.

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                    • #11
                      Mir-Wayland compatibility?

                      There is a question I've been meaning to ask, and this is as good a time as any...

                      Is it possible that applications could be written so that they run on both Mir and Wayland? I don't mean via XMir and XWayland, I mean could a native app for Mir work on Wayland, and vice-versa. Or are developers going to be forced to redo their apps for the specific window manager?

                      Thanks in advance for replies.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Candide View Post
                        There is a question I've been meaning to ask, and this is as good a time as any...

                        Is it possible that applications could be written so that they run on both Mir and Wayland? I don't mean via XMir and XWayland, I mean could a native app for Mir work on Wayland, and vice-versa. Or are developers going to be forced to redo their apps for the specific window manager?

                        Thanks in advance for replies.
                        Whatever Toolkit they are written against will have to support both if they want to run on both. So far every toolkit has said "Screw you Canonical" and expressed explicit support for Wayland and explicitly denied Mir support. Canonical said they may maintain patches for Qt and GTK separately and just patch their programs every build so you can still write against the toolkits.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                          Whatever Toolkit they are written against will have to support both if they want to run on both. So far every toolkit has said "Screw you Canonical" and expressed explicit support for Wayland and explicitly denied Mir support. Canonical said they may maintain patches for Qt and GTK separately and just patch their programs every build so you can still write against the toolkits.
                          I knew Gtk and KDE did that, but don't remember reading that Qt did, and my google-fu isn't good enough to find an article saying anything about upstream. Mind posting a link?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ibidem View Post
                            I knew Gtk and KDE did that, but don't remember reading that Qt did, and my google-fu isn't good enough to find an article saying anything about upstream. Mind posting a link?
                            KDE is a desktop environment. Guess what toolkit it uses.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                              KDE is a desktop environment. Guess what toolkit it uses.
                              But KDE doesn't has full control over QT, but the commercial organization that bought it from trolltech/nokia or whatever

                              Edit: the company is called digia, and I guess it doesn't matter to them if used under Mir or Wayland, they just want to make some profit from it.
                              Last edited by TheOne; 06-29-2013, 11:00 PM.

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