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  • #16
    Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
    I never had that issue with the beta or any release after that.
    Yeah reading the comments on the report, that seems to be the case-- users can hit it just fine but no developer seems to be able to recreate it

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    • #17
      Originally posted by RahulSundaram View Post
      I never had that issue with the beta or any release after that.
      I saw this issue in: Fedora 19 beta, Arch Linux with gnome 3.8, and Opensuse 12.3 with gnome 3.8 from gnome:stable, and it was very easy to reproduce on both of my laptops.

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      • #18
        Hum

        Better clear up a few things here:

        Michael, Fedora TCs and RCs are not 'public' pre-releases intended for wide distribution and publicity. They are validation test images built and tested as part of the process of releasing the three 'public' milestones per release: Alpha, Beta and Final. We'd appreciate it if you didn't 'announce' TC and RC builds, or at least did so in a low-key way which acknowledges the above.

        Eric, the download links are left out of the announcement intentionally, for the above reason. We don't want the TC and RC builds to be treated as public pre-releases for general purpose use, they are intended specifically for validation testing. So we are trying to force people to read through the validation testing instructions before they find the images. This is why the links to the images are from the validation test pages, not directly from the announcement mails.

        Also to Eric, F19 is not 'one month' behind schedule. It is currently one week behind. We slipped Alpha by one week, and Beta was not slipped at all. Final has not been slipped so far.

        bwat, GNOME does not 'ignore' serious bugs. I mean, there are multiple comments from devs right there in the bug report you linked to. Fixing bugs is not always an immediately obvious, straightforward process. I've seen fixes for several GNOME crashers land in F19 in recent days, including one that went into TC6 as a freeze exception. FWIW, I don't recall seeing Shell crash for me a single time since Beta. Crashes are very dependent on your hardware, your GNOME configuration, and various other factors.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by AdamW View Post
          Also to Eric, F19 is not 'one month' behind schedule. It is currently one week behind. We slipped Alpha by one week, and Beta was not slipped at all. Final has not been slipped so far.
          See the post where I corrected myself, Adam

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          • #20
            Originally posted by AdamW View Post
            Better clear up a few things here:

            Michael, Fedora TCs and RCs are not 'public' pre-releases intended for wide distribution and publicity. They are validation test images built and tested as part of the process of releasing the three 'public' milestones per release: Alpha, Beta and Final. We'd appreciate it if you didn't 'announce' TC and RC builds, or at least did so in a low-key way which acknowledges the above.

            Eric, the download links are left out of the announcement intentionally, for the above reason. We don't want the TC and RC builds to be treated as public pre-releases for general purpose use, they are intended specifically for validation testing. So we are trying to force people to read through the validation testing instructions before they find the images. This is why the links to the images are from the validation test pages, not directly from the announcement mails.

            Also to Eric, F19 is not 'one month' behind schedule. It is currently one week behind. We slipped Alpha by one week, and Beta was not slipped at all. Final has not been slipped so far.

            bwat, GNOME does not 'ignore' serious bugs. I mean, there are multiple comments from devs right there in the bug report you linked to. Fixing bugs is not always an immediately obvious, straightforward process. I've seen fixes for several GNOME crashers land in F19 in recent days, including one that went into TC6 as a freeze exception. FWIW, I don't recall seeing Shell crash for me a single time since Beta. Crashes are very dependent on your hardware, your GNOME configuration, and various other factors.
            Considering I could reproduce the issue on a f19 beta liveusb (in addition to seeing it with gnome 3.8 on 3 different distros) it definitely isn't anything with my specific gnome configuration...And the comments on the report don't inficate it being hardware specific (comments from people with nvidia, amd, and intel hardware). Honestly I find it hard to believe that a shell developer can't reproduce it. I'll give the final a try when it comes out though to see if its still an issue.
            Last edited by bwat47; 06-25-2013, 06:03 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
              Considering I could reproduce the issue on a f19 beta liveusb it definitely isn't anything with my specific gnome configuration...And the comments on the report don't inficate it being hardware specific (comments from people with nvidia, amd, and intel hardware). Honestly I find it hard to believe that a shell developer can't reproduce it. I'll give the final a try when it comes out though.
              Feel free to download the latest RC release of Fedora and test it. If you can still reproduce it, it would be useful to get the exact steps and a stack trace to figure out what is causing the problem. If it was widely reproducable, I would run into this problem already and I haven't.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                See the post where I corrected myself, Adam
                Sorry, I missed that!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
                  Does anyone know if this incredibly annoying bug still exists in f19? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695030

                  Really annoyed me when I tried the beta, can't believe gnome keeps releasing with such severe bugs and then ignoring them. Not only does it randomly crash the shell, it can also totally crash gnome causing you to lose any work.
                  This https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-s...1a6341aa738bae should fix this crashes (turn them into a warning) should be in 3.8.4 which will get released soon (tm). And yes F19 will get it as an update.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by drago01 View Post
                    This https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-s...1a6341aa738bae should fix this crashes (turn them into a warning) should be in 3.8.4 which will get released soon (tm). And yes F19 will get it as an update.
                    Good news, cause I just tested the release candidate and I reproduced the crash easily in only 10 seconds. Glad to see that there is a fix coming

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by drago01 View Post
                      This https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-s...1a6341aa738bae should fix this crashes (turn them into a warning) should be in 3.8.4 which will get released soon (tm). And yes F19 will get it as an update.
                      Thanks drago - any idea why this seems to affect bwat and some other reporters so badly but doesn't hit me or Rahul (or many others, apparently) at all? Race / timing issue?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by AdamW View Post
                        Thanks drago - any idea why this seems to affect bwat and some other reporters so badly but doesn't hit me or Rahul (or many others, apparently) at all? Race / timing issue?
                        It is a timing issue. The fix does not really fix it (the bug report is still valid) it just won't crash but print a warning to the log instead.

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                        • #27
                          I noticed that RC2 had been released here:https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/19-RC2/

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by yjcoshc View Post
                            I noticed that RC2 had been released here:https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/19-RC2/
                            Actually, it hasn't. It's still being built. It is not released until the compose request ticket - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5623 - is closed and the announcement sent out.

                            This is another reason we don't like to publicize TC/RC builds too widely, the compose process happens in public and people jump on the images early and complain when they don't work or are not finished...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
                              Does anyone know if this incredibly annoying bug still exists in f19? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695030

                              Really annoyed me when I tried the beta, can't believe gnome keeps releasing with such severe bugs and then ignoring them. Not only does it randomly crash the shell, it can also totally crash gnome causing you to lose any work.
                              I have been using GNOME 3.8 since Fedora 19 beta as a daily basis. Very rarely gnome shell or nautilus crashed, but that's largely due to the extension I'm playing around with. But nothing like this.

                              Do you install any nautilus extension?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ericg View Post
                                Thanks for the correction Rahul, perhaps that could be made more obvious in the mailing list announcement next time. I only found the link that I did by best guess and what 'looked right.'
                                Fedora is a distro by Fedora devs for (Fedora) devs, non friendly and you have to be well aware how the dev process works.

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