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  • #31
    Originally posted by finalzone View Post
    Why not writing a Nautilus extension for the missing/removed features you want? The source code is available to see, analyse and pick the need codes.
    Yes, I could develop everything I want in Gnome3... or simply apt-get a desktop environment that isn't as anemic. I've already choose the second.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Post
      you use it? lol
      RHEL 7 will use GNOME Shell with additional extensions. Therefore your claim that no one wants GS is simply wrong. Red Hat wants it.
      GNOME Shell (without Classic extensions) is also my second best liked DE after Plasma Desktop.
      I never was a fan of GNOME 2.x or clones like Xfce 4.x. They stick to the same old desktop metaphor already used by Windows 95. Meh.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Wilfred View Post
        AFAIK understand Gnome classic mode it still requires graphics hardware which can do 3d. So not everyone can even run gnome 3.
        And who can't?

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        • #34
          Who uses a GUI on a server?

          Above question basically answers the question "how could they??!?!"

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
            I never was a fan of GNOME 2.x or clones like Xfce 4.x. They stick to the same old desktop metaphor already used by Windows 95. Meh.
            Oh my god, it is so old, how can anyone dare to use it?
            Seriously, because it is a proven way to do things on a computer and is not changed just because some developers meant that they have to try something new because the old stuff is so boring.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Honton View Post
              Then use software based on the win95 UI principles. RHEL6 is not bad you know.
              That was not my point. I use neither Win95 style nor tablet style UIs, thanks.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Vim_User View Post
                That was not my point. I use neither Win95 style nor tablet style UIs, thanks.
                That's what is great about Linux/OSS. It is about choice. Don't like the direction of one DE? Use another, or even a WM. Nobody is forcing you, unlike Microsoft or Apple.

                Which makes it more funny/stupid that people still bitch about Gnome Shell...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                  And who can't?
                  People with PowerVR chips. Which are of course horrible to begin with, but hey, they do exist!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Chaz View Post
                    So, it was Red Hat devs who led the way on the new interface in Shell in the first place, right? Why is Red Hat paying people to develop something they don't actually want to use? And if they want to use Classic, why did they stick to Shell for so long only to bust out Classic at the last minute--it seems like they'll need to be adding features right up until RHEL's ship date.

                    I don't have a clue, but I like speculating. Perhaps the Gnome Shell guys were working away on their own, and had a low profile within Red Hat, and they think Shell is great. Then as 7 got closer management realized Shell wasn't what they want, or maybe customers complained, and they sent a pronouncement down that a traditional desktop must be made for RHEL. But of course if RH execs use Fedora then they would have been exposed to Shell ages ago. I'm stumped.
                    You need to understand, and this is something others in a better position than I have said as well, that RH gives its employees a lot of freedom. Especially the people doing community oriented work (like the Gnome folks). It's a price of doing business. That's why it bugs the hell out of me when people talk about RH as some monolithic entity with nefarious intents towards the open source community. You literally couldn't be further from the truth.
                    So what it seems happened was that the Gnome folks stayed in their world and developed what they wanted without wider considerations. This meant that serious user testing wasn't used early on in the process, and, according to the Register's report of Summit, it did enter in when Classic Mode was being developed (at that point I believe more than just the Gnome devs were involved, so I'd imagine they'd have less influence on the end result, but that's just speculation). It really has been to Gnome's detriment that they didn't take advantage of the UX people in Fedora to really help shape Shell from an early period.
                    As for the execs, I'd imagine they're using CSB (corporate standard build, a.k.a. RHEL), or Windows, or Mac (depending on what exactly they're doing).

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                      RHEL 7 will use GNOME Shell with additional extensions. Therefore your claim that no one wants GS is simply wrong. Red Hat wants it.
                      GNOME Shell (without Classic extensions) is also my second best liked DE after Plasma Desktop.
                      I never was a fan of GNOME 2.x or clones like Xfce 4.x. They stick to the same old desktop metaphor already used by Windows 95. Meh.
                      +1

                      I'm not such a fan of GS anymore, nor have I ever been bitten by the KDE bug(s), but I agree that both at least attempt some amount of movement away from the ancient PARC designs + panels.
                      Neither has been quite right, IMHO, but the attempts are laudable (though I so much wish Gnome had been more experimental and imaginative).

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by GreatEmerald View Post
                        People with PowerVR chips. Which are of course horrible to begin with, but hey, they do exist!
                        PowerVR chips are awesome because of their efficiency compared to traditional chips like AMD and Nvidia. Drivers issues in FOSS is the result of ImagineTech unwilling
                        to provide documentation let alone support due to NDA. *sigh*

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by finalzone View Post
                          PowerVR chips are awesome because of their efficiency compared to traditional chips like AMD and Nvidia. Drivers issues in FOSS is the result of ImagineTech unwilling
                          to provide documentation let alone support due to NDA. *sigh*
                          No, not really. They had a proprietary blob driver for the GMA 500/600. It was absolutely horrible. Wouldn't even run on absolutely anything but an ancient Ubuntu release. And the experience on Windows is also very bad, it can't even show 480p Flash videos at 30 FPS. It gets better if it uses WMP due to some driver related things, and that way it can show 720p content at 30 FPS with just some stuttering, but it's still nowhere good enough.

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                          • #43
                            well im pretty sure RH!!Enterprise!! linux customers will have the proper supported and !!Certified!! hardware for RHEL7 when they decide to upgrade and the same will happen with the !!Enterprise!! software that will be used on those workstations.

                            taking the fact that 99% of RH customer use Firegl and Quadro class hardware a composited desktop won't be a problem at all since both are well supported in RH.

                            now if you don't like composited desktops you can always choose another DE with fedora or any other distro

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Wilfred View Post
                              That's funny, since IIRC the most vocal supporters and the originators of gnome shell are all on the payroll of Red Hat.
                              That the RHEL team doesn't like Shell is proof that it shouldn't exist. That Red Hat funds hundreds of projects doesn't mean that their core eam approves of what many of those projects are doing.

                              Originally posted by Honton View Post
                              This is not cool. You should be happy for Gnome to deliver 2 desktop experiences. Modern and Classic. And let it bake for another half a year and then you get Gnome 3.8 in RHEL. Gnome is maturing and hopefully you will too!
                              Not an adequate solution. Mate/Gnome2 is still the only desktop worth using. LXDE and XFCE still don't match up to Gnome2.

                              Gnome 2 wasn't broken and didn't need fixing. Perhaps the Gnome devs should have been more mature about how the handled the situation. As it stands I have no support for them just as KDE lost me with KDE4, even though their moronic "force everything to have the letter K shoehorned into it" based naming scheme never totally won me over.

                              Mate is doing it the right way, using the long proven good desktop and adding in only the bits of Gnome3 that are actual improvements over what already exists in Gnome2 instead of trying to reinvent the wheel after downing 2 liters of vodka and beating your self in the head with a hammer for a week.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Wilfred View Post
                                AFAIK understand Gnome classic mode it still requires graphics hardware which can do 3d. So not everyone can even run gnome 3. The very first thing I did after I upgraded my laptop from squeeze to wheezy was to remove gnome3 and install xfce.
                                no, llvmpipe is also an option.. it even runs acceptably on my arm chromebook. Might not be the best option for that 10yr old computer

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