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  • Originally posted by Uqbar View Post
    I think this is your main issue, my friend.
    If you are a technician, you really know what actually works and what doesn't. And every other technician would agree with you.
    But when it comes to "communication", I would suggest you to first check those kind of basics against what "the Internet means" tm by the same things.
    May the Almighty/the Force be with you! And with our countries.

    P.S.
    We also had three revolutions in 11 months, but as people use to call it "politics" none really complained.
    That is valid only if the guy who wrote the entire documentation was a devel from the core team, fact is, we had community documentation uploaded to the "public servers", it means anyone can create a doc and send it to the moderator to post it "the moderator doesn't read them, just upload it"
    ridiculous examples:
    - a copy from some man page
    https://www.sphinux.org/view.php?f=T...Uc1TzQzdlgrREY

    - some help brochures that are absolutely unnecessary
    https://www.sphinux.org/view.php?f=e...Nk00SUY5UlE9PQ

    https://www.sphinux.org/view.php?f=e...dXdBREpsSlE9PQ

    so consider it a wiki, with novice fanatics, that would be the result, the community itself isn't a single block, different ppl, different ideologies, different motivations so it's expected to have this kind of "nonsense", we had the same issue with other Arabic speaking users till this interview took place "it's in Arabic, but it starts with insults, ends with kisses"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=encO0Qel-Qg

    and it's not that I don't understand "basic fractions and percentages", it's because I didn't write these stuff out -_-

    Oh, not revolutions, not even close if you had a chance to visit Egypt, I'd be happy to show you how a revolution affects everyone, problem is, The project started out at a time when several ideologies were at conflict, armed conflict a radical regime looking for some "accomplishment" to prove it's "success" picked up SphinUX among several unrelated projects, and things went from bad to worse, when that regime was replaced by a military dictatorship, we had a better chance to talk, and by the time we got rid of the "interns" we came out of the "devel" closet...

    good luck, three revolutions ROFL XD XD

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    • Originally posted by ciplogic View Post
      Let me reiterate:
      1 - I think that 12 pages out of 14 on this topic (at least) were on the position that your user was on the part of original claims were shown on Phoronix. You (or the user who posted with your account) wrote that everything is justified, but just have to be tried out
      2 - Because of this, people complained. People did not complain out of hate, but complained because of the claims.

      So your insertion with: "Egypt has a different culture" has little bearing on the hard numbers were quoted, the license name you choose to follow by modifying the Linux kernel, etc. Also, the any extra arguments: users of the SphinUX wrote this or that, you are responsible (if you are the owner) of them.

      At last, but not at least, my criticism (or I can almost generalize for everyone who did the same) is not a branch of logic but a branch of philosophy (in the strictest sense), in fact is named: proving an argument.

      It has many parts like:
      - make your claims consistent with logic (when you fail, are named logical fallacies)
      - make them consistent with reality (like publishing a science paper format, so it would be open to criticism and corrections)
      - give measurable arguments, numbers (observations, like in science)
      - the other part is to make correct qualifiers (it would be incorrect to say: every PhD is a taxi driver, even as you would say, some are)
      - and others.

      I am here to say: yes, you said in the "apology post" (I would name it: "half apology, half excuses post") that numbers are wrong and you pick a wrong license, but if you look in your previous posts you did other things wrong, and many overlap over many things like:
      - attack of character of Richard Stallman and many RMS fans (I'm not one of them) would feel a bit attacked, to say it nicely
      - you said: "11- We'd not start sentences with "we" anymore, it's ridiculous and self-centered " but I think almost all post uses: "We ..."

      What I would recommend to you to do:
      - try to make a publishable paper. Publish it if possible, or at least give a direct link to people so it can be easily disseminated what is engineering and what is "fan boy" message. It would save your time too, you can say: read this link.
      - make a video conference that shows ups&downs (maybe a Google hangout or a Twitter feed to get questions if enough people come)
      - record a full video with some use-cases where your OS does shine, use VirtualBox for this if you have no other idea
      - don't blame PR, even he is at fault. In IT is always the project fault, the team fault, not the person's fault. When Linux fails to boot, you don't say: is the fault of Andrew or Linus or any developer who makes the commit, you say is the fault of the Linux. When you apologize, you should stay clear that the fault cannot lie in one or two people. When one people failed and no one did something, all team failed (from outside at least), and the apology should follow this conventions! When Steve Jobs (even he was a superstar) he critized Adobe, not the engineer on the Virtual Machines team.
      - you say: "give to me the false claims to correct them". Disproving bad information takes time, and some people do not have it. In fact I would recommend just the opposite: say what you know is true of any parts of your projects (even there are just two claims) and add information which remain true. You will save the trouble for future criticism!

      Wish to you luck and less trouble in future!
      First, thanks, that's a respectful comment, and I highlighted some precious points ...
      but before I might discuss a few points, I'd like to state that from now on, I'll have full responsibility for any statement "till a spokesman elections take place", our PGP key will be displayed by each comment, this might make things more official for the moment.
      and I don't find excuses, I didn't refer to hatred at all, we take full responsibility, and we realize the current situation, and if it wasn't a concern by us to set things up, I would've dumped the project long time ago, but it has good potentials, so it's a full apology+reaching for your opinion.

      NOTES:
      I don't control the users the project belongs to no one, it's a community see: https://www.facebook.com/groups/SphinUX.OS/
      We like RMS
      11- was a joke

      now what matters is to discuss how to fix things guess we're on the same track now

      suggestions:
      1- we published drafts, it's not full, but v1.1 WILL NOT GO BETA BEFORE FULLY DOCUMENTED ...
      https://www.sphinux.org/view.php?f=K...kVRbVp5bW0yVT0

      2- already done (last year), unfortunately in Arabic, but will try to create a live broadcast for English users "but that should be after we hit the stable, right?!"
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=encO0Qel-Qg

      3- we made a video for the tool that should be used to redistribute the StdBaseFS, it's a test as well, but I guess official video tutorials would be nice, what would you say about that?
      https://www.sphinux.org/view.php?f=N...b0R1aWNRK2c9PQ

      4- we blame ourselves, totally understood, that's why I am here in the first place to admit that it's a "[FAIL]" and if it's someone to blame, it's the core team, but when I say that we had "internal issues", I am not justifying, I am showing the causality behind this nonsense

      5- Maybe the FAQ section in the new portal would fix this?!
      https://www.sphinux.org/cats/faq/

      appreciate your help thanks


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      • @SphinUXer

        A nice way would be a nightly/daily generated iso. We have that for Kanotix since while now and it helps users to install always the lastest code with very few updates the day you dl it. I hope you do not build it manually, that would be a huge fail in current times with the Debian live framework around. Basically i could add arabian lang files to my own distro, but i do not understand the language, so you wont find it If you want to take a look at our KDE/LXDE spins based on wheezy (dragonfire) or jessie (spitfire) fetch it from here.

        http://nightly.kanotix.acritox.com/latest/

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        • Originally posted by Kano View Post
          @SphinUXer

          A nice way would be a nightly/daily generated iso. We have that for Kanotix since while now and it helps users to install always the lastest code with very few updates the day you dl it. I hope you do not build it manually, that would be a huge fail in current times with the Debian live framework around. Basically i could add arabian lang files to my own distro, but i do not understand the language, so you wont find it If you want to take a look at our KDE/LXDE spins based on wheezy (dragonfire) or jessie (spitfire) fetch it from here.

          http://nightly.kanotix.acritox.com/latest/
          we already have implemented an automated build script on one of our servers, unfortunately we are not using Debian live scripts to accomplish anything but to have a live system "wont use it to build an iso" since we already have something we call "StdBaseFS" which has a set of standard mechanisms to build a clean iso and it has a GUI wizard that a novice user might find easy to use

          "our problem with the debian live framework is the alien syntax -_-"

          this directory is updated daily, and it hosts the new StdBaseFS project files and new distributions built upon it
          https://www.sphinux.org/basefs/

          if you need help in translation or adding Arabic support, we have translators that might be glad to help you

          thanks

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