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    Phoronix: Ubuntu 13.10 Likely Switching To Chromium Browser

    Yesterday evening I mentioned Ubuntu Linux developers would be discussing replacing Mozilla Firefox with Google Chromium as the default web-browser in Ubuntu 13.10. After the discussion today, it looks like this may very well happen...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM3Mzk

  • #2
    I dislike chromium because its smooth scrolling is awful compared to firefox. for some reason chrome's smooth scrolling flag doesn't even seem to work on some webpages, where in firefox I've never seen anything like this happen, every page has the same consistent smooth scrolling. Its 2013, I expect my browser to have reliable smooth scrolling.

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    • #3
      Re

      Almost every time I hear about Canonical employees decisions 1 thing comes to mind "Are they idiots? Or just uninformed? Isn't that their job, to get informed of the matters?".
      Ubuntu Touch is using QML 2, QML 2 is using V8 JavaScript Engine used by Google in combination with WebKit, it's not using WebKit itself.
      And if they will get informed better, Qt 5.x(most probably Qt 5.2) will switch from V8 to it's own JavaScript Engine(based on V8) optimized for things that QML 2 needs.
      "Let's switch to Chromium because QML 2 uses V8" - such nonsense. What kind of Idiots work there?

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      • #4
        It sounds fishy to me as well that canonical claims to use Chromium on Ubuntu Touch. I'm sure they use a QtWebKit browser there and QtWebKit neither uses Chromium nor V8.

        Maybe they should switch to QupZilla.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
          It sounds fishy to me as well that canonical claims to use Chromium on Ubuntu Touch. I'm sure they use a QtWebKit browser there and QtWebKit neither uses Chromium nor V8.

          Maybe they should switch to QupZilla.
          QupZilla? Seriously? I use the thing on an old Athlon XP powered PC running Razor-Qt and am very happy with it there, but that's because it's old hardware that can't really handle modern Firefox or Chromium. I'm a Firefox fan, but I'd still take Chromium over QupZilla on a newer system (aside: I feel the same way about Midori and Epiphany).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
            I'm sure they use a QtWebKit browser there and QtWebKit neither uses Chromium nor V8.
            Just read it: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubu...it-maintenance

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            • #7
              Well, Chromium has less issues with GTK+ than Firefox at the moment (font and menu rendering isn't mimicked poorly as in XUL). Even still, Chrome probably won't have GTK+ 3 in the cards for a while, whereas Firefox is actively pursuing a port which is showing some promise. One could also use the argument that Firefox's tab look is more reminiscent of Ubuntu's GTK tabs, but that's changing in Firefox soon, as well.

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              • #8
                I can see this happening very, very shortly.

                apt-get remove chromium

                Packages to be removed:
                chromium
                ubuntu-desktop


                Happens with Lubuntu, I sure hope it doesn't with Ubuntu.

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                • #9
                  Flash and PDF

                  It is fairly easy to retrofit Pepper Flash and the Google PDF reader from Chrome to Chromium. Maybe Ubuntu could do a deal with Google and Adobe to allow those to items into the default install and thus keep their flash up to date instead of forever frozen at 11.2. On the other hand they could just install Chrome.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                    I can see this happening very, very shortly.

                    apt-get remove chromium

                    Packages to be removed:
                    chromium
                    ubuntu-desktop


                    Happens with Lubuntu, I sure hope it doesn't with Ubuntu.
                    That will definitely happen. What problem do you have with it though? The ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage that pulls in the default packages that Ubuntu ships with. In fact, if you remove it right now, upgrading to 13.10 won't install Chromium automatically.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chenxiaolong View Post
                      That will definitely happen. What problem do you have with it though? The ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage that pulls in the default packages that Ubuntu ships with. In fact, if you remove it right now, upgrading to 13.10 won't install Chromium automatically.
                      I don't have a problem with that per se, but with Lubuntu at least, if you remove the default browser it pulls Epiphany and other stuff, no matter what you have installed.
                      That irritates me more.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                        I don't have a problem with that per se, but with Lubuntu at least, if you remove the default browser it pulls Epiphany and other stuff, no matter what you have installed.
                        That irritates me more.
                        Ahh, that's actually not related to [l,k,x,]ubuntu-desktop. That's caused because there are packages installed that depend on www-browser. www-browser is a virtual package that is provided by any browser installed on your system through apt-get. If you remove Chromium, apt is going to find the next browser package (probably alphabetically) that provides the www-browser virtual package. You can work around it by installing another browser before removing chromium.

                        EDIT: Not all browser provide www-browser. The packagers have to explicit make the package provide this. "apt-cache search www-browser" will list the browsers that provide www-browser.
                        Last edited by chenxiaolong; 05-16-2013, 09:52 PM.

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                        • #13
                          hmm?

                          i genuinely think chromium would be better than firefox at the moment, its just a much more feature-packed browser

                          there's some people spewing very technical reasons why chrome would not work. from a users perspective, i don't notice or care about those things; chromium still looks a lot better.

                          if you want to be a prick then you can say chromium is using different kits and it does not have as much visible support as firefox, however its honestly not going to mess anything up or even have visible compatibility problems for at least the next 3 years.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Serge View Post
                            QupZilla? Seriously?
                            Yes, but: Before RussianNeuroMancer posted the link, I was under the impression that Ubuntu Touch will use QtWebKit.
                            Considering that the argument is that both the Touch and the desktop variant of Ubuntu should use the same back-end, the obvious conclusion is to use a QtWebKit-based browser on the desktop as well.

                            Turns out thanks to the link by RussianNeuroMancer the actual news is that Canonical plans to develop a toolkit-agnostic Blink-based library for use in GTK and Qt applications in both Ubuntu desktop and Ubuntu Touch.

                            Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post
                            Thanks for that. It clears the confusion. (Why is that link missing from the article?)
                            To my surprise I actually like that proposal. Considering how much Canonical fucks up these days, this is a welcome change. Even though I'm not the biggest fan of Google's WebKit fork, turning Blink into something both Qt and GTK applications can (hopefully) easily use is great from a security POV as Google will just do all the patching work.

                            Knowing Canonical I, however, fear that they fuck up the execution of this nice idea by releasing the glue library that sits between Blink and Qt/GTK under GPLv3-only+CLA.

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                            • #15
                              Firefox has always scrolled better than chromium for me, and fast scrolling is (to me) much more important than pure javascript performance.
                              Add that chromium eats (i've done my tests) FAR more ram than firefox when browsing in multitab, this make me think this is a marketing choice, chrome is getting popular among windows users and, generally, people thinks it is "cooler" than mozilla firefox.

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