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  • #16
    Originally posted by uh20 View Post
    i genuinely think chromium would be better than firefox at the moment, its just a much more feature-packed browser
    Huh? What does chromium do that firefox doesn't? It doesn't even let you scroll the tab bar when you've got a bunch of tabs open.

    I don't disagree that Chromium might be a better fit for Ubuntu, but there's very clearly a tradeoff of giving up features. They're just features most users probably don't care that much about.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
      Knowing Canonical I, however, fear that they fuck up the execution of this nice idea by releasing the glue library that sits between Blink and Qt/GTK under GPLv3-only+CLA.
      I thought that most of Mir (I assume this is what you were referencing) was licensed LGPLv3 or later, which in regards to libraries seems acceptable to me.
      I mean, don't get me wrong, I like permissive, but as long as dynamic linking doesn't constitute a license change, I'm fine with that.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by intellivision View Post
        I can see this happening very, very shortly.

        apt-get remove chromium

        Packages to be removed:
        chromium
        ubuntu-desktop


        Happens with Lubuntu, I sure hope it doesn't with Ubuntu.
        The first line is wrong. It should be typed as

        sudo apt-get --purge chromium

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        • #19
          Originally posted by intellivision View Post
          I thought that most of Mir (I assume this is what you were referencing) was licensed LGPLv3 or later, which in regards to libraries seems acceptable to me.
          I mean, don't get me wrong, I like permissive, but as long as dynamic linking doesn't constitute a license change, I'm fine with that.
          There are always problems when “or later” is missing. Eg a GPLv2-only application can't use the library then and in the future GPLv4 applications may not be permitted to use LGPLv3-only libs (because of all that GPL compatibility stuff).

          Another problem would be that it would also generate needless confusion because Blink is LGPLv2-or-later. Even though not necessary legally required, inconsistent licensing is usually frowned upon.

          Best-case scenario would be that Canonical develops this toolkit-agnostic library directly within the Chromium project, follow Blink's licensing, and Chromium itself would use it via bindings for Skia.

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          • #20
            Chrome, Chromium are the same - here?

            Originally posted by meanpt View Post
            The first line is wrong. It should be typed as

            sudo apt-get --purge chromium
            Thanx - many noobs like me are still learning, cos we come from the CLI-free world of GUI computer usage (Windows, IOS, etc).

            In this long message-topic, writers seem to think Chrome is the same as Chromium. Chromium open-source seems better than closed source Chromium, because Google since March 2013 now has the policy that Youtube downloads are not allowed in Chrome. Google may have other commercial interests as well, like they are often accused with their other closed source products.

            Please someone - tell me that my suspicions of Google's "do no harm" publicity -- are wrong.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by gregzeng View Post
              Please someone - tell me that my suspicions of Google's "do no harm" publicity -- are wrong.
              Sorry, they're not wrong. Google is no saint.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by gregzeng View Post
                Please someone - tell me that my suspicions of Google's "do no harm" publicity -- are wrong.
                I would trust Richard Stallman adhering to a NDA with MS Windows source code before I would trust google's "do no harm" publicity.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by uh20 View Post
                  i genuinely think chromium would be better than firefox at the moment, its just a much more feature-packed browser

                  there's some people spewing very technical reasons why chrome would not work. from a users perspective, i don't notice or care about those things; chromium still looks a lot better.

                  if you want to be a prick then you can say chromium is using different kits and it does not have as much visible support as firefox, however its honestly not going to mess anything up or even have visible compatibility problems for at least the next 3 years.
                  Saying feature packed is just the same thing as saying bloated. Most "features" are in fact bloat. Honestly I would greatly respect any browser maker that said they don't implement "features". There is an important difference between functionality and features. I want a functionally complete browser of course. But I could happily do without most features.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                    I would trust Richard Stallman adhering to a NDA with MS Windows source code before I would trust google's "do no harm" publicity.
                    Ha! Good one...

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dee. View Post
                      Sorry, they're not wrong. Google is no saint.
                      I actually feel like Google does a pretty good job for being a multinational billion dollar company.

                      But you have to remember, they're still a multinational billion dollar company. That means you have to grade on a curve. (Or don't)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
                        I actually feel like Google does a pretty good job for being a multinational billion dollar company.

                        But you have to remember, they're still a multinational billion dollar company. That means you have to grade on a curve. (Or don't)
                        Well sure, they're a better choice than Microsoft (for example). But just because you can say "this hot dog tastes better than a dog turd" doesn't make it a gourmet dinner...

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                        • #27
                          I don't get why they would switch. Looks to me like another Rhythmbox to Banshee to Rhythmbox. Firefox uses less memory and is more full featured. Chrome still feels like a beta browser to me. It is nice if you only want to surf the web. But when you really embrace the web and use extensions and hundreds of tabs Chrome is a no go.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Ferdinand View Post
                            I don't get why they would switch.
                            It was already explained on the very first page of this thread:

                            Originally posted by RussianNeuroMancer View Post

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                              It was already explained on the very first page of this thread:
                              That makes absolutely no sense, because chromium is moving away from webkit to their own rendering engine (blink). Unless they are going to be switching their ubuntu touch browser to blink this decision is all kinds of pointless.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
                                That makes absolutely no sense, because chromium is moving away from webkit to their own rendering engine (blink). Unless they are going to be switching their ubuntu touch browser to blink this decision is all kinds of pointless.
                                You should read more than just the headline…

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