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  • #31
    Seriously people, if you don't want to understand the problems Canonical is causing to the GNU/Linux environment, i won't waste any more time. I have made my points, and they should be clear to anyone without an agenda...

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    • #32
      It begins.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ElderSnake View Post
        It begins.
        Just now?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ElderSnake View Post
          It begins.
          Indeed...

          Plenty of open, community governed standards have been complete rubbish... Then someone with actual vision and talent comes along and decides to create standards that don't suck, and all of the old hats whine about how they should've been contributing to the established standards (without handing over leadership, of course). Then the old standard quickly becomes obsolete in favor of the new, better standard, and all that's left is a bunch of trolls whining about what could've been, or how it used to be back in the day....

          It's a shame that Red Hat never cared about making Linux for consumers... They instead chose to make Fedora their bleeding-edge, unstable testbed for Red Hat, had they made any attempt to penetrate the "normal people" market, then there might be somebody to balance out Canonical's undeniable leadership today... What a pity...

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          • #35
            Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
            Seriously people, if you don't want to understand the problems Canonical is causing to the GNU/Linux environment, i won't waste any more time. I have made my points, and they should be clear to anyone without an agenda...
            The dignified exit of someone who has given up on his side of the debate, just like a politician

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            • #36
              I'm looking forward to the all new Ubuntu Even Opener Office!

              Seriously, I AM looking forward to these new app designs.
              Ubuntu at least has designers whose works exhibit flair (if not always consistency, or good usability practicies).
              Of course, I want this to inform Gnome, but I fear that won't happen until a "restructuring" occurs.
              I really wish there was a desktop that had a vision similar to mine...
              Damn, now I feel like I'M pearl-clutching (I think I've been following the Mir/Wayland spat too closely...BTW, YES, that is how they are to be ordered from now on!).

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              • #37
                Originally posted by liam View Post
                Seriously, I AM looking forward to these new app designs.
                Ubuntu at least has designers whose works exhibit flair (if not always consistency, or good usability practicies).
                Of course, I want this to inform Gnome, but I fear that won't happen until a "restructuring" occurs.
                I really wish there was a desktop that had a vision similar to mine...
                Damn, now I feel like I'M pearl-clutching (I think I've been following the Mir/Wayland spat too closely...BTW, YES, that is how they are to be ordered from now on!).
                I'm sorry, I'm not sure what "spat" you're referring to. Are you perhaps talking about the Wayland/Mir controversy?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                  While I am very disquieted and concerned about much of Canonical's recent efforts, this is not one of them. I honestly do not care at all if the are working on another calculator.
                  Exactly. This kind of thing makes sense. Mir does not.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                    Another python fanboi. I understand that you like the language. But it's a pig. It takes 15 seconds to start the damn software center. And the HDD works like crazy. And CPU shoots up in the sky. And memory. God it takes 100 MB of RAM. Stop with the virtual machine bullshit. It's slow and inefficient. Bad language. Bad bad bad. And now they're teaching it everywhere since it's simple....God another generation of shitty programmers who thing it's acceptable to take 50 MB with a damn calculator... Don't even begin to compare it with C++.
                    Of course, Google uses Python extensively(alongside C and C++), but I'm sure that you know so much better than Google how to write massively performant applications on an epic scale, right? For that matter, so does RedHat. You should apply for a job at Google so you can show them how it's done, I'm sure you're quite L337 and have a distinguished resume, LMAO.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                      Another python fanboi. I understand that you like the language. But it's a pig. It takes 15 seconds to start the damn software center. And the HDD works like crazy. And CPU shoots up in the sky. And memory. God it takes 100 MB of RAM. Stop with the virtual machine bullshit. It's slow and inefficient. Bad language. Bad bad bad. And now they're teaching it everywhere since it's simple....God another generation of shitty programmers who thing it's acceptable to take 50 MB with a damn calculator... Don't even begin to compare it with C++.
                      How many times do you need to be told to stop talking about things you do not understand? Or at least do some research first.
                      While the software centre is written with Python it uses mostly C libraries to do any of the real work. For example GTK+ is used for the GUI and Xapian for search capabilities.

                      If you look at the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...er/+bug/845579
                      You will see that Xapian calls are responsible for around 25% of load time (possibly more as this is just for loading the top rated content) Xapian is a highly optimised C library with nothing to do with Python. My theory is that Xapian is possibly being used in an inefficient way but I’m not going to learn how to it works just to fix this for Canonical as once again this project is covered by the CLA.

                      Most libraries that need speed in Python are actually written in C and just provide a way for Python to hook in. That said I don’t used Python and don’t even like it all that much, it just gets to me when people assume things then spread FUD that other people then take as fact. Do your research first then join the conversation.
                      Last edited by timothyja; 03-12-2013, 09:34 PM.

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                      • #41
                        like Android

                        They're distancing more and more from being a normal Linux distribution.

                        Like Android, they're becoming a special case.

                        And it's a good thing. Perhaps then it'll stop being referred to as a "popular Linux distribution" and it'll become a "system that uses Linux underneath" instead.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by timothyja View Post
                          How many times do you need to be told to stop talking about things you do not understand? Or at least do some research first.
                          While the software centre is written with Python it uses mostly C libraries to do any of the real work. For example GTK+ is used for the GUI and Xapian for search capabilities.

                          If you look at the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...er/+bug/845579
                          You will see that Xapian calls are responsible for around 25% of load time (possibly more as this is just for loading the top rated content) Xapian is a highly optimised C library with nothing to do with Python. My theory is that Xapian is possibly being used in an inefficient way but I’m not going to learn how to it works just to fix this for Canonical as once again this project is covered by the CLA.

                          Most libraries that need speed in Python are actually written in C and just provide a way for Python to hook in. That said I don’t used Python and don’t even like it all that much, it just gets to me when people assume things then spread FUD that other people then take as fact. Do your research first then join the conversation.
                          Not that I have any big experience with python, I thought their type system and object model was not to my liking initially so I only did some early exercises with the language. But I really thought it was a big turn off with the long start up times I got with my small simple test desktop applications

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                            I have it on good authority that the search engine is written in C++. Nothing interpreted there. They also have a sort of love for Java.
                            Did you not even read the third sentence in the quote?

                            "While the software centre is written with Python it uses mostly C libraries to do any of the real work. For example GTK+ is used for the GUI and Xapian for search capabilities."

                            So in other words they are doing exactly the same thing Google is doing.

                            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                            To claim that somebody uses Python when things clearly call for C or C++ is just delusional. Python can never be as fast as C++.
                            Now you are just lying, nobody here has claimed either of those things and you know it.

                            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                            Could it be that there is some serious overhead when calling C from Python? I know that in Java there is through the JNI. Loading all that interpreter with all libraries takes an awful amount of time and takes a lot of space in memory. That is python's fault.
                            So in other words you don't actually have a clue how python performs in this situation, but you guess there is a chance it might perform badly based on your experience with a totally different language with a totally different architecture, therefore Python is shit. Got it.

                            Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                            So basically Python is a slow interpreted language that encourages use by yoyos who can't code shit.
                            Like Google.
                            Last edited by TheBlackCat; 03-13-2013, 08:00 AM.

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                            • #44
                              so these thing will work on ubantu only or supported by other os also ?????

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by shruti001 View Post
                                so these thing will work on ubantu only or supported by other os also ?????
                                Yes, in any Linux install that provides the proper libraries. If Slackware wants this, they would provide the unity libs and any unity app would work there. This is how a KDE app works, or a GNOME one does, etc. Nothing different.

                                If you are running a fresh GNOME install and try to install a KDE app, say Amarok, the package installer will pull some KDE/Qt libraries. If you wanted Unity apps, it would do similarly. But hey, saying this makes me a "fanboy" and "having an agenda" and all sorts of things. Sigh!

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